[Faith-talk] False Accusations

Sun Nov 9 18:31:28 UTC 2008

At the same time, homosexuality is called a sin and abomination by God.  So you think we should allow people to continue to sin against God?

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations

>I would have toagree with Julie.  Marriage is about love, not
> procreative reasons only.  I've known friends who've gotten married as
> nonprocreative peoples.  Also, has anybody thought that marriage
> should at least be for those that can participate in it as well?
> Also, if we have bans on same-sex marriage, think of it this way: we
> are forcing religion on the people, which God really doesn't want us
> to do.  To be Christ-like is not to shove God down the throats of
> those who don't know him, but to spread God's love to them, to let
> them be free people.
> Beth
> 
> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>> Beth,
>> I gently disagree with you.  Marriage was designed by God to be between a
>> man and a woman.  Don't take issue because I said it.  Study the Bible and
>> if you still don't like it, then you have to take it up with God.  It was
>> His idea to begin with, not man's.
>>
>>
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>>    The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my
>> God, and I will prepare him an
>>  habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
>>  Exodus 15:2
>> ~~~
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>
>>
>>>I don't care if Obama's half-black.  God's people will come to
>>> understand a few things:
>>> 1. Marriage, for example, is not between "one man and one woman".  It
>>> is between two able parties, same o different sex, that are actually
>>> willing to stay together.  Our high divorce rate of heterosexual
>>> couples mostly is bad for our children herein America.
>>> 2. Abortion should never happen.  If it's something that has to do
>>> with the mother's life and health, then that's the only exception.
>>> But rape and birth control reasons are not good ones.
>>> 3. Blind people can and wwill have equal rights to vote, gain security
>>> benefits, and so on.  Yes, Obama's the most liberal, but we need him.
>>> Maybe he's a lot more Christian than Bush was.  But God's people must
>>> not be against him.  I'm a Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
>>> Obama has also beat Kennedy by so many years.  ANything having to do
>>> with race is out as far as I'm concerned.  Next, what will happen when
>>> a woman is in the White House?  What about a blind woman? lol
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 11/8/08, Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Julie,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, too.  I'm not against our president elect because he's
>>>> black.  Fact is, he's half black.  That's neither here nor
>>>> there.  It's mainly because he's the most liberal of all in Congress,
>>>> and I believe that a lot of our rights will be taken away once he is
>>>> sworn in.  We'll see what happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
>>>> the rest in authority over us.  I sent those things to you because I
>>>> knew you wouldn't find out from the mainstream media.  But the
>>>> election has made history, and God's people need to be more vigilent than
>>>> ever.
>>>>
>>>> Blessings,
>>>>
>>>> Linda
>>>>
>>>> At 03:33 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>It happened by accident.  When you didn't stop attacking in my
>>>>>in-box--those of you who did it--people of other races by way of our
>>>>>new President-elect, I wrote what I wrote.  Now you know how false
>>>>>accusations hurt everybody.  Because of one man the African-American
>>>>>Church, and people who attend them, have been under tremendous
>>>>>attack ever since last March with no let-up.  Ever since I began
>>>>>attending and became saved in African-American churches in 1972,
>>>>>I've heard dirty, dirty comments like:  "they just do in their
>>>>>church what they did in the slave days."  In the slave days,
>>>>>African-Americans weren't permitted to know anything of the Bible
>>>>>but "Servants obey your masters in the Lord for this is right.
>>>>>
>>>>>If people say what people have said about one another's churches
>>>>>ever since last March, referring to us as blind people, we'd be up
>>>>>in arms.  Let us all be more careful.
>>>>>
>>>>>It hit me like a thunderbolt while I was playing piano at a senior
>>>>>citizens building today why you all were upset.  And as upset as you
>>>>>were last Thursday night, Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
>>>>>I read what you particularly sent me privately at 5:00 on a Sunday
>>>>>morning while  I was getting ready for church.  I'm sorry and maybe
>>>>>we can understand one another better now.
>>>>>
>>>>>  has been
>>>>>
>>>>>"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>>>>>human soul," American Humorist Mark Twain
>>>>>
>>>>>"An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth
>>>>>Jernigan, Immediate Past President, National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>
>>>>>"A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>>>>>their contentions are like the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. KJV
>>>>>
>>>>>"Faith is the ability to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>>>>>
>>>>>"No one can do it for us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation Push,
>>>>> 1976.
>>>>>
>>>>>"With proper training, development, and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>>be reduced to the level of a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>>>>>the Late Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, Past President, National Federation
>>>>>of the Blind.
>>>>>
>>>>>Julie Vogt or jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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