[Faith-talk] False Accusations
Julie C. Vogt
jcvogt at pressenter.com
Sun Nov 9 20:28:17 UTC 2008
Alan, this is the bad thing: We know what the bible says about that and if
they know it, all they really feel is the church's rejection of them. We
have to love people where they are and that means really trying to help them
fight their battles with homosexuality or whatever the thing is. We do that
when it comes to other things. Plus I really think it's been made such a
mess that the Scripture that says, "God shall separate the wheat from the
tariffs," is there for a reason. Only God can fix it now.
Can we legislate the love of God in those who don't have it or make people
go the way we know God knows they should when all they feel is rejection?
These are things I think about now.
I think gays and lesbians should have a civil union, not marriage, because
pretty soon we're going to have a problem with "common law" couples and all
that. We can't make ourselves God in governing other people's lives.
When I first got saved in the'70's, if people wore slacks in the
African-American churches, or even mixed congregations, people were quick to
quote that thou shall not wear clothes pertaining to a man. Well, there's a
difference between man's pants and women's pants. Now time has passed and
people are finding now that God deals with people a whole lot better than
people do. I wear slacks or pant suits myself. I don't like to be moving
around on a piano bench and having to pull at my dress, but God still loves
me and has used me, particularly in music.
I don't know if you tune to top 40 stations at all, but last summer there
was a song out by Katy Perry:
"I kissed a girl and I like it.
Hope my boy-friend don't mind it."
And then she talks of it not meaning she's in love tonight. Because of
rejection, they're going to push as hard as we do. God has to intervene in
this.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
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Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
> At the same time, homosexuality is called a sin and abomination by God.
> So you think we should allow people to continue to sin against God?
>
>
> +-+-+-
>
> We know that all things work together for good for those who love God,
> to those
> who are called according to his purpose.
> Romans 8:28
> ~~~
>
> Alan D Wheeler
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>
>
>>I would have toagree with Julie. Marriage is about love, not
>> procreative reasons only. I've known friends who've gotten married as
>> nonprocreative peoples. Also, has anybody thought that marriage
>> should at least be for those that can participate in it as well?
>> Also, if we have bans on same-sex marriage, think of it this way: we
>> are forcing religion on the people, which God really doesn't want us
>> to do. To be Christ-like is not to shove God down the throats of
>> those who don't know him, but to spread God's love to them, to let
>> them be free people.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Beth,
>>> I gently disagree with you. Marriage was designed by God to be between
>>> a
>>> man and a woman. Don't take issue because I said it. Study the Bible
>>> and
>>> if you still don't like it, then you have to take it up with God. It
>>> was
>>> His idea to begin with, not man's.
>>>
>>>
>>> +-+-+-
>>>
>>> The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he
>>> is my
>>> God, and I will prepare him an
>>> habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
>>> Exodus 15:2
>>> ~~~
>>>
>>> Alan D Wheeler
>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
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>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>
>>>
>>>>I don't care if Obama's half-black. God's people will come to
>>>> understand a few things:
>>>> 1. Marriage, for example, is not between "one man and one woman". It
>>>> is between two able parties, same o different sex, that are actually
>>>> willing to stay together. Our high divorce rate of heterosexual
>>>> couples mostly is bad for our children herein America.
>>>> 2. Abortion should never happen. If it's something that has to do
>>>> with the mother's life and health, then that's the only exception.
>>>> But rape and birth control reasons are not good ones.
>>>> 3. Blind people can and wwill have equal rights to vote, gain security
>>>> benefits, and so on. Yes, Obama's the most liberal, but we need him.
>>>> Maybe he's a lot more Christian than Bush was. But God's people must
>>>> not be against him. I'm a Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
>>>> Obama has also beat Kennedy by so many years. ANything having to do
>>>> with race is out as far as I'm concerned. Next, what will happen when
>>>> a woman is in the White House? What about a blind woman? lol
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> On 11/8/08, Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Julie,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, too. I'm not against our president elect because he's
>>>>> black. Fact is, he's half black. That's neither here nor
>>>>> there. It's mainly because he's the most liberal of all in Congress,
>>>>> and I believe that a lot of our rights will be taken away once he is
>>>>> sworn in. We'll see what happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
>>>>> the rest in authority over us. I sent those things to you because I
>>>>> knew you wouldn't find out from the mainstream media. But the
>>>>> election has made history, and God's people need to be more vigilent
>>>>> than
>>>>> ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda
>>>>>
>>>>> At 03:33 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>It happened by accident. When you didn't stop attacking in my
>>>>>>in-box--those of you who did it--people of other races by way of our
>>>>>>new President-elect, I wrote what I wrote. Now you know how false
>>>>>>accusations hurt everybody. Because of one man the African-American
>>>>>>Church, and people who attend them, have been under tremendous
>>>>>>attack ever since last March with no let-up. Ever since I began
>>>>>>attending and became saved in African-American churches in 1972,
>>>>>>I've heard dirty, dirty comments like: "they just do in their
>>>>>>church what they did in the slave days." In the slave days,
>>>>>>African-Americans weren't permitted to know anything of the Bible
>>>>>>but "Servants obey your masters in the Lord for this is right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If people say what people have said about one another's churches
>>>>>>ever since last March, referring to us as blind people, we'd be up
>>>>>>in arms. Let us all be more careful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It hit me like a thunderbolt while I was playing piano at a senior
>>>>>>citizens building today why you all were upset. And as upset as you
>>>>>>were last Thursday night, Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
>>>>>>I read what you particularly sent me privately at 5:00 on a Sunday
>>>>>>morning while I was getting ready for church. I'm sorry and maybe
>>>>>>we can understand one another better now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> has been
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>>>>>>human soul," American Humorist Mark Twain
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth
>>>>>>Jernigan, Immediate Past President, National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>>>>>>their contentions are like the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. KJV
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Faith is the ability to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"No one can do it for us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation Push,
>>>>>> 1976.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"With proper training, development, and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>>>be reduced to the level of a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>>>>>>the Late Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, Past President, National Federation
>>>>>>of the Blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Julie Vogt or jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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