[Faith-talk] False Accusations

Alan Wheeler awheeler at neb.rr.com
Sun Nov 9 21:28:05 UTC 2008 

Julie,
I meant what I said.  What I posted is my last comment.  I will, however, close this by pointing out that ideally, as Christians we love the sinner but hate the sin.  We should, lovingly, try to bring homosexuals out of their lifestyle.  JMO.


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   For he who has died has been freed from sin. 
 Romans 6:7
~~~

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie C. Vogt" <jcvogt at pressenter.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations


> Alan, this is the bad thing:  We know what the bible says about that and if 
> they know it, all they really feel is the church's rejection of them.  We 
> have to love people where they are and that means really trying to help them 
> fight their battles with homosexuality or whatever the thing is.  We do that 
> when it comes to other things.  Plus I really think it's been made such a 
> mess that the Scripture that says, "God shall separate the wheat from the 
> tariffs," is there for a reason.  Only God can fix it now.
> 
> Can we legislate the love of God in those who don't have it or make people 
> go the way we know God knows they should when all they feel is rejection? 
> These are things I think about now.
> 
> I think gays and lesbians should have a civil union, not marriage, because 
> pretty soon we're going to have a problem with "common law" couples and all 
> that. We can't make ourselves God in governing other people's lives.
> 
> When I first got saved in the'70's, if people wore slacks in the 
> African-American churches, or even mixed congregations, people were quick to 
> quote that thou shall not wear clothes pertaining to a man.  Well, there's a 
> difference between man's pants and women's pants.  Now time has passed and 
> people are finding now that God deals with people a whole lot better than 
> people do.  I wear slacks or pant suits myself.  I don't like to be moving 
> around on a piano bench and having to pull at my dress, but God still loves 
> me and has used me, particularly in music.
> 
> I don't know if you tune to top 40 stations at all, but last summer there 
> was a song out by Katy Perry:
> 
> "I kissed a girl and I like it.
> Hope my boy-friend don't mind it."
> 
> And then she talks of it not meaning she's in love tonight.  Because of 
> rejection, they're going to push as hard as we do.  God has to intervene in 
> this.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
> 
> 
>> At the same time, homosexuality is called a sin and abomination by God. 
>> So you think we should allow people to continue to sin against God?
>>
>>
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>>
>>   We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, 
>> to those
>> who are called according to his purpose.
>> Romans 8:28
>> ~~~
>>
>> Alan D Wheeler
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>
>>
>>>I would have toagree with Julie.  Marriage is about love, not
>>> procreative reasons only.  I've known friends who've gotten married as
>>> nonprocreative peoples.  Also, has anybody thought that marriage
>>> should at least be for those that can participate in it as well?
>>> Also, if we have bans on same-sex marriage, think of it this way: we
>>> are forcing religion on the people, which God really doesn't want us
>>> to do.  To be Christ-like is not to shove God down the throats of
>>> those who don't know him, but to spread God's love to them, to let
>>> them be free people.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Beth,
>>>> I gently disagree with you.  Marriage was designed by God to be between 
>>>> a
>>>> man and a woman.  Don't take issue because I said it.  Study the Bible 
>>>> and
>>>> if you still don't like it, then you have to take it up with God.  It 
>>>> was
>>>> His idea to begin with, not man's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +-+-+-
>>>>
>>>>    The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he 
>>>> is my
>>>> God, and I will prepare him an
>>>>  habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
>>>>  Exodus 15:2
>>>> ~~~
>>>>
>>>> Alan D Wheeler
>>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
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>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:29 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I don't care if Obama's half-black.  God's people will come to
>>>>> understand a few things:
>>>>> 1. Marriage, for example, is not between "one man and one woman".  It
>>>>> is between two able parties, same o different sex, that are actually
>>>>> willing to stay together.  Our high divorce rate of heterosexual
>>>>> couples mostly is bad for our children herein America.
>>>>> 2. Abortion should never happen.  If it's something that has to do
>>>>> with the mother's life and health, then that's the only exception.
>>>>> But rape and birth control reasons are not good ones.
>>>>> 3. Blind people can and wwill have equal rights to vote, gain security
>>>>> benefits, and so on.  Yes, Obama's the most liberal, but we need him.
>>>>> Maybe he's a lot more Christian than Bush was.  But God's people must
>>>>> not be against him.  I'm a Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
>>>>> Obama has also beat Kennedy by so many years.  ANything having to do
>>>>> with race is out as far as I'm concerned.  Next, what will happen when
>>>>> a woman is in the White House?  What about a blind woman? lol
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/8/08, Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Julie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry, too.  I'm not against our president elect because he's
>>>>>> black.  Fact is, he's half black.  That's neither here nor
>>>>>> there.  It's mainly because he's the most liberal of all in Congress,
>>>>>> and I believe that a lot of our rights will be taken away once he is
>>>>>> sworn in.  We'll see what happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
>>>>>> the rest in authority over us.  I sent those things to you because I
>>>>>> knew you wouldn't find out from the mainstream media.  But the
>>>>>> election has made history, and God's people need to be more vigilent 
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 03:33 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>It happened by accident.  When you didn't stop attacking in my
>>>>>>>in-box--those of you who did it--people of other races by way of our
>>>>>>>new President-elect, I wrote what I wrote.  Now you know how false
>>>>>>>accusations hurt everybody.  Because of one man the African-American
>>>>>>>Church, and people who attend them, have been under tremendous
>>>>>>>attack ever since last March with no let-up.  Ever since I began
>>>>>>>attending and became saved in African-American churches in 1972,
>>>>>>>I've heard dirty, dirty comments like:  "they just do in their
>>>>>>>church what they did in the slave days."  In the slave days,
>>>>>>>African-Americans weren't permitted to know anything of the Bible
>>>>>>>but "Servants obey your masters in the Lord for this is right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If people say what people have said about one another's churches
>>>>>>>ever since last March, referring to us as blind people, we'd be up
>>>>>>>in arms.  Let us all be more careful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It hit me like a thunderbolt while I was playing piano at a senior
>>>>>>>citizens building today why you all were upset.  And as upset as you
>>>>>>>were last Thursday night, Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
>>>>>>>I read what you particularly sent me privately at 5:00 on a Sunday
>>>>>>>morning while  I was getting ready for church.  I'm sorry and maybe
>>>>>>>we can understand one another better now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  has been
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>>>>>>>human soul," American Humorist Mark Twain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth
>>>>>>>Jernigan, Immediate Past President, National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>>>>>>>their contentions are like the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. KJV
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Faith is the ability to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"No one can do it for us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation Push,
>>>>>>> 1976.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"With proper training, development, and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>>>>be reduced to the level of a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>>>>>>>the Late Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, Past President, National Federation
>>>>>>>of the Blind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Julie Vogt or jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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