[Faith-talk] False Accusations
Frank Lordi
timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 9 22:04:40 UTC 2008
Well said Alan;
Frank
--- On Sun, 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
> From: Alan Wheeler <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 4:28 PM
> Julie,
> I meant what I said. What I posted is my last comment. I
> will, however, close this by pointing out that ideally, as
> Christians we love the sinner but hate the sin. We should,
> lovingly, try to bring homosexuals out of their lifestyle.
> JMO.
>
>
> +-+-+-
>
> For he who has died has been freed from sin.
> Romans 6:7
> ~~~
>
> Alan D Wheeler
> awheeler at neb.rr.com
> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
> Skype: redwheel1
> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM to 1 PM eastern
> time at www.theqonline.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie C. Vogt"
> <jcvogt at pressenter.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>
>
> > Alan, this is the bad thing: We know what the bible
> says about that and if
> > they know it, all they really feel is the church's
> rejection of them. We
> > have to love people where they are and that means
> really trying to help them
> > fight their battles with homosexuality or whatever the
> thing is. We do that
> > when it comes to other things. Plus I really think
> it's been made such a
> > mess that the Scripture that says, "God shall
> separate the wheat from the
> > tariffs," is there for a reason. Only God can
> fix it now.
> >
> > Can we legislate the love of God in those who
> don't have it or make people
> > go the way we know God knows they should when all they
> feel is rejection?
> > These are things I think about now.
> >
> > I think gays and lesbians should have a civil union,
> not marriage, because
> > pretty soon we're going to have a problem with
> "common law" couples and all
> > that. We can't make ourselves God in governing
> other people's lives.
> >
> > When I first got saved in the'70's, if people
> wore slacks in the
> > African-American churches, or even mixed
> congregations, people were quick to
> > quote that thou shall not wear clothes pertaining to a
> man. Well, there's a
> > difference between man's pants and women's
> pants. Now time has passed and
> > people are finding now that God deals with people a
> whole lot better than
> > people do. I wear slacks or pant suits myself. I
> don't like to be moving
> > around on a piano bench and having to pull at my
> dress, but God still loves
> > me and has used me, particularly in music.
> >
> > I don't know if you tune to top 40 stations at
> all, but last summer there
> > was a song out by Katy Perry:
> >
> > "I kissed a girl and I like it.
> > Hope my boy-friend don't mind it."
> >
> > And then she talks of it not meaning she's in love
> tonight. Because of
> > rejection, they're going to push as hard as we do.
> God has to intervene in
> > this.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan Wheeler"
> <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
> religion"
> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
> >
> >
> >> At the same time, homosexuality is called a sin
> and abomination by God.
> >> So you think we should allow people to continue to
> sin against God?
> >>
> >>
> >> +-+-+-
> >>
> >> We know that all things work together for good
> for those who love God,
> >> to those
> >> who are called according to his purpose.
> >> Romans 8:28
> >> ~~~
> >>
> >> Alan D Wheeler
> >> awheeler at neb.rr.com
> >> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
> >> Skype: redwheel1
> >> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM to 1 PM
> eastern time at
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> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Beth"
> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> >> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith
> and religion"
> >> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:44 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
> >>
> >>
> >>>I would have toagree with Julie. Marriage is
> about love, not
> >>> procreative reasons only. I've known
> friends who've gotten married as
> >>> nonprocreative peoples. Also, has anybody
> thought that marriage
> >>> should at least be for those that can
> participate in it as well?
> >>> Also, if we have bans on same-sex marriage,
> think of it this way: we
> >>> are forcing religion on the people, which God
> really doesn't want us
> >>> to do. To be Christ-like is not to shove God
> down the throats of
> >>> those who don't know him, but to spread
> God's love to them, to let
> >>> them be free people.
> >>> Beth
> >>>
> >>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>> Beth,
> >>>> I gently disagree with you. Marriage was
> designed by God to be between
> >>>> a
> >>>> man and a woman. Don't take issue
> because I said it. Study the Bible
> >>>> and
> >>>> if you still don't like it, then you
> have to take it up with God. It
> >>>> was
> >>>> His idea to begin with, not man's.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> +-+-+-
> >>>>
> >>>> The LORD is my strength and song, and
> he is become my salvation: he
> >>>> is my
> >>>> God, and I will prepare him an
> >>>> habitation; my father's God, and I
> will exalt him.
> >>>> Exodus 15:2
> >>>> ~~~
> >>>>
> >>>> Alan D Wheeler
> >>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
> >>>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
> >>>> Skype: redwheel1
> >>>> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM
> to 1 PM eastern time at
> >>>> www.theqonline.net
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Beth"
> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of
> faith and religion"
> >>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:29 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False
> Accusations
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I don't care if Obama's
> half-black. God's people will come to
> >>>>> understand a few things:
> >>>>> 1. Marriage, for example, is not
> between "one man and one woman". It
> >>>>> is between two able parties, same o
> different sex, that are actually
> >>>>> willing to stay together. Our high
> divorce rate of heterosexual
> >>>>> couples mostly is bad for our children
> herein America.
> >>>>> 2. Abortion should never happen. If
> it's something that has to do
> >>>>> with the mother's life and health,
> then that's the only exception.
> >>>>> But rape and birth control reasons are
> not good ones.
> >>>>> 3. Blind people can and wwill have
> equal rights to vote, gain security
> >>>>> benefits, and so on. Yes, Obama's
> the most liberal, but we need him.
> >>>>> Maybe he's a lot more Christian
> than Bush was. But God's people must
> >>>>> not be against him. I'm a
> Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
> >>>>> Obama has also beat Kennedy by so many
> years. ANything having to do
> >>>>> with race is out as far as I'm
> concerned. Next, what will happen when
> >>>>> a woman is in the White House? What
> about a blind woman? lol
> >>>>> Beth
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 11/8/08, Linda Mentink
> <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Julie,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm sorry, too. I'm not
> against our president elect because he's
> >>>>>> black. Fact is, he's half
> black. That's neither here nor
> >>>>>> there. It's mainly because
> he's the most liberal of all in Congress,
> >>>>>> and I believe that a lot of our
> rights will be taken away once he is
> >>>>>> sworn in. We'll see what
> happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
> >>>>>> the rest in authority over us. I
> sent those things to you because I
> >>>>>> knew you wouldn't find out
> from the mainstream media. But the
> >>>>>> election has made history, and
> God's people need to be more vigilent
> >>>>>> than
> >>>>>> ever.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Blessings,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Linda
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At 03:33 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
> >>>>>>>It happened by accident. When
> you didn't stop attacking in my
> >>>>>>>in-box--those of you who did
> it--people of other races by way of our
> >>>>>>>new President-elect, I wrote
> what I wrote. Now you know how false
> >>>>>>>accusations hurt everybody.
> Because of one man the African-American
> >>>>>>>Church, and people who attend
> them, have been under tremendous
> >>>>>>>attack ever since last March
> with no let-up. Ever since I began
> >>>>>>>attending and became saved in
> African-American churches in 1972,
> >>>>>>>I've heard dirty, dirty
> comments like: "they just do in their
> >>>>>>>church what they did in the
> slave days." In the slave days,
> >>>>>>>African-Americans weren't
> permitted to know anything of the Bible
> >>>>>>>but "Servants obey your
> masters in the Lord for this is right.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>If people say what people have
> said about one another's churches
> >>>>>>>ever since last March,
> referring to us as blind people, we'd be up
> >>>>>>>in arms. Let us all be more
> careful.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>It hit me like a thunderbolt
> while I was playing piano at a senior
> >>>>>>>citizens building today why you
> all were upset. And as upset as you
> >>>>>>>were last Thursday night,
> Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
> >>>>>>>I read what you particularly
> sent me privately at 5:00 on a Sunday
> >>>>>>>morning while I was getting
> ready for church. I'm sorry and maybe
> >>>>>>>we can understand one another
> better now.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> has been
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Loyalty to petrified
> opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
> >>>>>>>human soul," American
> Humorist Mark Twain
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"An attack on one of us is
> an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth
> >>>>>>>Jernigan, Immediate Past
> President, National Federation of the Blind
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"A brother offended is
> harder to be won than a strong city: and
> >>>>>>>their contentions are like the
> bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. KJV
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Faith is the ability to
> see God in the dark.," (unknown)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"No one can do it for us
> but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation Push,
> >>>>>>> 1976.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"With proper training,
> development, and opportunity, blindness can
> >>>>>>>be reduced to the level of a
> physical nuisance or characteristic,"
> >>>>>>>the Late Dr. Kenneth Jernigan,
> Past President, National Federation
> >>>>>>>of the Blind.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Julie Vogt or
> jcvogt at pressenter.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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