[Faith-talk] False Accusations

Mon Nov 10 01:52:39 UTC 2008

Well said Alan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Lordi" <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations


> Well said Alan;
> Frank
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Alan Wheeler <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 4:28 PM
>> Julie,
>> I meant what I said.  What I posted is my last comment.  I
>> will, however, close this by pointing out that ideally, as
>> Christians we love the sinner but hate the sin.  We should,
>> lovingly, try to bring homosexuals out of their lifestyle.
>> JMO.
>>
>>
>> +-+-+-
>>
>>    For he who has died has been freed from sin.
>>  Romans 6:7
>> ~~~
>>
>> Alan D Wheeler
>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> Skype: redwheel1
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>> time at www.theqonline.net
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Julie C. Vogt"
>> <jcvogt at pressenter.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>
>>
>> > Alan, this is the bad thing:  We know what the bible
>> says about that and if
>> > they know it, all they really feel is the church's
>> rejection of them.  We
>> > have to love people where they are and that means
>> really trying to help them
>> > fight their battles with homosexuality or whatever the
>> thing is.  We do that
>> > when it comes to other things.  Plus I really think
>> it's been made such a
>> > mess that the Scripture that says, "God shall
>> separate the wheat from the
>> > tariffs," is there for a reason.  Only God can
>> fix it now.
>> >
>> > Can we legislate the love of God in those who
>> don't have it or make people
>> > go the way we know God knows they should when all they
>> feel is rejection?
>> > These are things I think about now.
>> >
>> > I think gays and lesbians should have a civil union,
>> not marriage, because
>> > pretty soon we're going to have a problem with
>> "common law" couples and all
>> > that. We can't make ourselves God in governing
>> other people's lives.
>> >
>> > When I first got saved in the'70's, if people
>> wore slacks in the
>> > African-American churches, or even mixed
>> congregations, people were quick to
>> > quote that thou shall not wear clothes pertaining to a
>> man.  Well, there's a
>> > difference between man's pants and women's
>> pants.  Now time has passed and
>> > people are finding now that God deals with people a
>> whole lot better than
>> > people do.  I wear slacks or pant suits myself.  I
>> don't like to be moving
>> > around on a piano bench and having to pull at my
>> dress, but God still loves
>> > me and has used me, particularly in music.
>> >
>> > I don't know if you tune to top 40 stations at
>> all, but last summer there
>> > was a song out by Katy Perry:
>> >
>> > "I kissed a girl and I like it.
>> > Hope my boy-friend don't mind it."
>> >
>> > And then she talks of it not meaning she's in love
>> tonight.  Because of
>> > rejection, they're going to push as hard as we do.
>>  God has to intervene in
>> > this.
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Alan Wheeler"
>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>> religion"
>> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:31 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>> >
>> >
>> >> At the same time, homosexuality is called a sin
>> and abomination by God.
>> >> So you think we should allow people to continue to
>> sin against God?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> +-+-+-
>> >>
>> >>   We know that all things work together for good
>> for those who love God,
>> >> to those
>> >> who are called according to his purpose.
>> >> Romans 8:28
>> >> ~~~
>> >>
>> >> Alan D Wheeler
>> >> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> >> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> >> Skype: redwheel1
>> >> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM to 1 PM
>> eastern time at
>> >> www.theqonline.net
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Beth"
>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith
>> and religion"
>> >> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:44 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>I would have toagree with Julie.  Marriage is
>> about love, not
>> >>> procreative reasons only.  I've known
>> friends who've gotten married as
>> >>> nonprocreative peoples.  Also, has anybody
>> thought that marriage
>> >>> should at least be for those that can
>> participate in it as well?
>> >>> Also, if we have bans on same-sex marriage,
>> think of it this way: we
>> >>> are forcing religion on the people, which God
>> really doesn't want us
>> >>> to do.  To be Christ-like is not to shove God
>> down the throats of
>> >>> those who don't know him, but to spread
>> God's love to them, to let
>> >>> them be free people.
>> >>> Beth
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>>> Beth,
>> >>>> I gently disagree with you.  Marriage was
>> designed by God to be between
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> man and a woman.  Don't take issue
>> because I said it.  Study the Bible
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> if you still don't like it, then you
>> have to take it up with God.  It
>> >>>> was
>> >>>> His idea to begin with, not man's.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> +-+-+-
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    The LORD is my strength and song, and
>> he is become my salvation: he
>> >>>> is my
>> >>>> God, and I will prepare him an
>> >>>>  habitation; my father's God, and I
>> will exalt him.
>> >>>>  Exodus 15:2
>> >>>> ~~~
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Alan D Wheeler
>> >>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> >>>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> >>>> Skype: redwheel1
>> >>>> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM
>> to 1 PM eastern time at
>> >>>> www.theqonline.net
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Beth"
>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> >>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of
>> faith and religion"
>> >>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:29 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False
>> Accusations
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>I don't care if Obama's
>> half-black.  God's people will come to
>> >>>>> understand a few things:
>> >>>>> 1. Marriage, for example, is not
>> between "one man and one woman".  It
>> >>>>> is between two able parties, same o
>> different sex, that are actually
>> >>>>> willing to stay together.  Our high
>> divorce rate of heterosexual
>> >>>>> couples mostly is bad for our children
>> herein America.
>> >>>>> 2. Abortion should never happen.  If
>> it's something that has to do
>> >>>>> with the mother's life and health,
>> then that's the only exception.
>> >>>>> But rape and birth control reasons are
>> not good ones.
>> >>>>> 3. Blind people can and wwill have
>> equal rights to vote, gain security
>> >>>>> benefits, and so on.  Yes, Obama's
>> the most liberal, but we need him.
>> >>>>> Maybe he's a lot more Christian
>> than Bush was.  But God's people must
>> >>>>> not be against him.  I'm a
>> Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
>> >>>>> Obama has also beat Kennedy by so many
>> years.  ANything having to do
>> >>>>> with race is out as far as I'm
>> concerned.  Next, what will happen when
>> >>>>> a woman is in the White House?  What
>> about a blind woman? lol
>> >>>>> Beth
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 11/8/08, Linda Mentink
>> <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Hi Julie,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'm sorry, too.  I'm not
>> against our president elect because he's
>> >>>>>> black.  Fact is, he's half
>> black.  That's neither here nor
>> >>>>>> there.  It's mainly because
>> he's the most liberal of all in Congress,
>> >>>>>> and I believe that a lot of our
>> rights will be taken away once he is
>> >>>>>> sworn in.  We'll see what
>> happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
>> >>>>>> the rest in authority over us.  I
>> sent those things to you because I
>> >>>>>> knew you wouldn't find out
>> from the mainstream media.  But the
>> >>>>>> election has made history, and
>> God's people need to be more vigilent
>> >>>>>> than
>> >>>>>> ever.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Blessings,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Linda
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> At 03:33 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>> >>>>>>>It happened by accident.  When
>> you didn't stop attacking in my
>> >>>>>>>in-box--those of you who did
>> it--people of other races by way of our
>> >>>>>>>new President-elect, I wrote
>> what I wrote.  Now you know how false
>> >>>>>>>accusations hurt everybody.
>> Because of one man the African-American
>> >>>>>>>Church, and people who attend
>> them, have been under tremendous
>> >>>>>>>attack ever since last March
>> with no let-up.  Ever since I began
>> >>>>>>>attending and became saved in
>> African-American churches in 1972,
>> >>>>>>>I've heard dirty, dirty
>> comments like:  "they just do in their
>> >>>>>>>church what they did in the
>> slave days."  In the slave days,
>> >>>>>>>African-Americans weren't
>> permitted to know anything of the Bible
>> >>>>>>>but "Servants obey your
>> masters in the Lord for this is right.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>If people say what people have
>> said about one another's churches
>> >>>>>>>ever since last March,
>> referring to us as blind people, we'd be up
>> >>>>>>>in arms.  Let us all be more
>> careful.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>It hit me like a thunderbolt
>> while I was playing piano at a senior
>> >>>>>>>citizens building today why you
>> all were upset.  And as upset as you
>> >>>>>>>were last Thursday night,
>> Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
>> >>>>>>>I read what you particularly
>> sent me privately at 5:00 on a Sunday
>> >>>>>>>morning while  I was getting
>> ready for church.  I'm sorry and maybe
>> >>>>>>>we can understand one another
>> better now.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>  has been
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"Loyalty to petrified
>> opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>> >>>>>>>human soul," American
>> Humorist Mark Twain
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"An attack on one of us is
>> an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth
>> >>>>>>>Jernigan, Immediate Past
>> President, National Federation of the Blind
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"A brother offended is
>> harder to be won than a strong city: and
>> >>>>>>>their contentions are like the
>> bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. KJV
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"Faith is the ability to
>> see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"No one can do it for us
>> but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation Push,
>> >>>>>>> 1976.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"With proper training,
>> development, and opportunity, blindness can
>> >>>>>>>be reduced to the level of a
>> physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>> >>>>>>>the Late Dr. Kenneth Jernigan,
>> Past President, National Federation
>> >>>>>>>of the Blind.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Julie Vogt or
>> jcvogt at pressenter.com
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
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