[Faith-talk] False Accusations

Corey Cook ccook01 at knology.net
Mon Nov 10 05:16:19 UTC 2008 

Well siad Frank

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Lordi" <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations


> The bible clearly states that homosexual sex is an abomination.
>
> This is one of the hardest things about believing.  We must submit to 
> God's law.  We are 'a stif fnecked people' so this is difficult but we 
> must do it.  We need not understand, we need not agree, but we must obey. 
> Our Lord says those are his friends who keep his commands.  So if we want 
> to be his friend, we must accept among other things, that homosexual sex 
> is a sin.
>
> Perhaps it will help to look at it this way.  I like women a great deal. 
> I cannot stop liking women.  Often times i 'want' badly to have relations 
> with said women, but God's law says no, so i must follow this or accept 
> the wages of sin.
>
> The same goes for homosexuals, for cleptomaniacs, for the greedy, the 
> hopeless, etc.  We all have our crosses to carry, our temptations to 
> resist.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, BMW <lynnwhite51 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> From: BMW <lynnwhite51 at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 10:49 PM
>> Beth, sex outside of the relationship between a husband and
>> wife is a sin.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk,for
>> the discussion of faith and
>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>
>>
>> > Okay, if homosexuality is a sin, guess what?  What
>> about the
>> > homosexuals who have homosexual relations with each
>> other and cannot
>> > be attracted to opposite sex members?  I again may
>> mention that I have
>> > friends who are gay/lesbian.  And I am pleased with
>> Obama in the white
>> > house.  God knows what's best, and I believe in a
>> God who loves all,
>> > and God knows that homosexuality is a sin, but it is a
>> sin between
>> > those who can physically have someone of the opposite
>> sex along with
>> > being attracted with someone of the opposite sex.
>> Take my
>> > ex-boyfriend for instance.  He likes women, but if he
>> went to sleep
>> > with a young college friend of mine who I know is
>> attracted to girls,
>> > THAT is a sin.  But if my friend who is lesbian went
>> to sleep with the
>> > equally lesbian girlfriend, it is not a sin.  We must
>> love everybody
>> > unconditionally, and we must not say that they are
>> committing a sin
>> > unless they really are and have the brain chemicals
>> made up so that
>> > they are attracted to someone of the opposite sex.  I
>> am attracted to
>> > menh, so if I went to sleep with my college roommate,
>> for instance,
>> > that would be a in in itself.  I am blind, and if I
>> married a blind
>> > man, that would be fine.  But the way this country and
>> the bible seems
>> > to be interpreted, homosexuality would be stomped out
>> and next will be
>> > blindness.  Before we know it, our listservs will be
>> in jeopardy, an
>> > then, we wouldn't be able to marry, write, read,
>> go to college, and if
>> > the Terrorists get our country, and that is if Barack
>> Obama's not
>> > watching over us, we will be wearing veils if
>> we're female.  I for one
>> > do not want any ore arguments about homosexuality to
>> ever pop up again
>> > on this listserv.  I want to play it straight: it may
>> be a sin, but
>> > unfortunately, nobody understands the homosexual
>> cannot be changed if
>> > they are truly homosexual.  I understand my friends,
>> and they are good
>> > people.  They are going to college and they are going
>> to be band and
>> > chorus teachers.  Do you people thin that these girls
>> I'm friends with
>> > shouldn't be band and chorus teachers to young
>> children because they
>> > are homosexuals?  According to the weird article I
>> read, yes.  But I'd
>> > hire them any time.
>> > Anyway, that's my soap box for today.
>> > Beth
>> >
>> > On 11/9/08, Frank Lordi
>> <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> you are speakin gof the concept of 'blood
>> guilt'?
>> >>
>> >> This so often brought grief to Isreal, no?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Corey Cook
>> <ccook01 at knology.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> From: Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>> >>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of
>> faith and religion"
>> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:44 PM
>> >>> Homosexuality is sin.
>> >>> Read Romans 1
>> >>> read first Corinthians 6
>> >>> Yes we need to love them just as we love all
>> sinners, but
>> >>> it is time to call it what it is, and that is
>> sin!
>> >>> It is a sin that will be the end of this
>> country if we
>> >>> allow it to be accepted and embraced.
>> >>> Not a popular thought, but a true one.
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan
>> Wheeler"
>> >>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>> >>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of
>> faith and
>> >>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:29 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> > Never mind.  I keep telling you it is
>> called a sin in
>> >>> the bible...if you don't want to believe
>> that God calls
>> >>> it a sin, I can't say anything to sway
>> you.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > +-+-+-
>> >>> >
>> >>> >   There is none holy as the LORD: for
>> there is none
>> >>> beside thee: neither is there any rock like
>> our God.
>> >>> > 1 Samuel 2:2
>> >>> > ~~~
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Alan D Wheeler
>> >>> > awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> >>> > IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> >>> > Skype: redwheel1
>> >>> > Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM
>> to 1 PM
>> >>> eastern time at www.theqonline.net
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- From:
>> "Beth"
>> >>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> >>> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion
>> of faith and
>> >>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:41 PM
>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False
>> Accusations
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> We're talking about a country
>> where not
>> >>> everybody believes in God.  We
>> >>> >> Christians are shoving God down the
>> throats of
>> >>> those who don't know
>> >>> >> him.  We need to pray for the
>> homosexuals and
>> >>> those who are
>> >>> >> experiencing a so-called sin ad we
>> need to be
>> >>> nicer to these people
>> >>> >> for God's own sake.
>> >>> >> Beth
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>> >>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>> At the same time, homosexuality
>> is called a
>> >>> sin and abomination by God. So
>> >>> >>> you think we should allow people
>> to continue
>> >>> to sin against God?
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> +-+-+-
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>    We know that all things work
>> together for
>> >>> good for those who love God, to
>> >>> >>> those
>> >>> >>> who are called according to his
>> purpose.
>> >>> >>>  Romans 8:28
>> >>> >>> ~~~
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Alan D Wheeler
>> >>> >>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> >>> >>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> >>> >>> Skype: redwheel1
>> >>> >>> Check me out on the Q, Fridays
>> from 10 AM to 1
>> >>> PM eastern time at
>> >>> >>> www.theqonline.net
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> >>> From: "Beth"
>> >>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> >>> >>> To: "Faith-talk,for the
>> discussion of
>> >>> faith and religion"
>> >>> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008
>> 10:44 AM
>> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False
>> Accusations
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> I would have toagree with
>> Julie.  Marriage
>> >>> is about love, not
>> >>> >>>> procreative reasons only.
>> I've known
>> >>> friends who've gotten married as
>> >>> >>>> nonprocreative peoples.
>> Also, has anybody
>> >>> thought that marriage
>> >>> >>>> should at least be for those
>> that can
>> >>> participate in it as well?
>> >>> >>>> Also, if we have bans on
>> same-sex
>> >>> marriage, think of it this way: we
>> >>> >>>> are forcing religion on the
>> people, which
>> >>> God really doesn't want us
>> >>> >>>> to do.  To be Christ-like is
>> not to shove
>> >>> God down the throats of
>> >>> >>>> those who don't know him,
>> but to
>> >>> spread God's love to them, to let
>> >>> >>>> them be free people.
>> >>> >>>> Beth
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>> >>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>> Beth,
>> >>> >>>>> I gently disagree with
>> you.  Marriage
>> >>> was designed by God to be between a
>> >>> >>>>> man and a woman.
>> Don't take issue
>> >>> because I said it.  Study the Bible
>> >>> >>>>> and
>> >>> >>>>> if you still don't
>> like it, then
>> >>> you have to take it up with God.  It was
>> >>> >>>>> His idea to begin with,
>> not man's.
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> +-+-+-
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>    The LORD is my
>> strength and song,
>> >>> and he is become my salvation: he is
>> >>> >>>>> my
>> >>> >>>>> God, and I will prepare
>> him an
>> >>> >>>>>  habitation; my
>> father's God, and
>> >>> I will exalt him.
>> >>> >>>>>  Exodus 15:2
>> >>> >>>>> ~~~
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> Alan D Wheeler
>> >>> >>>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>> >>> >>>>> IM me at:
>> outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>> >>> >>>>> Skype: redwheel1
>> >>> >>>>> Check me out on the Q,
>> Fridays from 10
>> >>> AM to 1 PM eastern time at
>> >>> >>>>> www.theqonline.net
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> ----- Original Message
>> -----
>> >>> >>>>> From: "Beth"
>> >>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> >>> >>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for
>> the
>> >>> discussion of faith and religion"
>> >>> >>>>>
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November
>> 09, 2008 7:29
>> >>> AM
>> >>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk]
>> False
>> >>> Accusations
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>> I don't care if
>> Obama's
>> >>> half-black.  God's people will come to
>> >>> >>>>>> understand a few
>> things:
>> >>> >>>>>> 1. Marriage, for
>> example, is not
>> >>> between "one man and one woman".  It
>> >>> >>>>>> is between two able
>> parties, same
>> >>> o different sex, that are actually
>> >>> >>>>>> willing to stay
>> together.  Our
>> >>> high divorce rate of heterosexual
>> >>> >>>>>> couples mostly is bad
>> for our
>> >>> children herein America.
>> >>> >>>>>> 2. Abortion should
>> never happen.
>> >>> If it's something that has to do
>> >>> >>>>>> with the mother's
>> life and
>> >>> health, then that's the only exception.
>> >>> >>>>>> But rape and birth
>> control reasons
>> >>> are not good ones.
>> >>> >>>>>> 3. Blind people can
>> and wwill have
>> >>> equal rights to vote, gain security
>> >>> >>>>>> benefits, and so on.
>> Yes,
>> >>> Obama's the most liberal, but we need him.
>> >>> >>>>>> Maybe he's a lot
>> more
>> >>> Christian than Bush was.  But God's people
>> must
>> >>> >>>>>> not be against him.
>> I'm a
>> >>> Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
>> >>> >>>>>> Obama has also beat
>> Kennedy by so
>> >>> many years.  ANything having to do
>> >>> >>>>>> with race is out as
>> far as I'm
>> >>> concerned.  Next, what will happen when
>> >>> >>>>>> a woman is in the
>> White House?
>> >>> What about a blind woman? lol
>> >>> >>>>>> Beth
>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>> On 11/8/08, Linda
>> Mentink
>> >>> <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>>> Hi Julie,
>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>> I'm sorry,
>> too.  I'm
>> >>> not against our president elect because
>> he's
>> >>> >>>>>>> black.  Fact is,
>> he's half
>> >>> black.  That's neither here nor
>> >>> >>>>>>> there.  It's
>> mainly
>> >>> because he's the most liberal of all in
>> Congress,
>> >>> >>>>>>> and I believe
>> that a lot of
>> >>> our rights will be taken away once he is
>> >>> >>>>>>> sworn in.
>> We'll see what
>> >>> happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
>> >>> >>>>>>> the rest in
>> authority over us.
>> >>>  I sent those things to you because I
>> >>> >>>>>>> knew you
>> wouldn't find out
>> >>> from the mainstream media.  But the
>> >>> >>>>>>> election has made
>> history, and
>> >>> God's people need to be more vigilent
>> >>> >>>>>>> than
>> >>> >>>>>>> ever.
>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>> Blessings,
>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>> Linda
>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>> At 03:33 PM
>> 11/8/2008, you
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>>>> It happened
>> by accident.
>> >>> When you didn't stop attacking in my
>> >>> >>>>>>>> in-box--those
>> of you who
>> >>> did it--people of other races by way of our
>> >>> >>>>>>>> new
>> President-elect, I
>> >>> wrote what I wrote.  Now you know how false
>> >>> >>>>>>>> accusations
>> hurt
>> >>> everybody.  Because of one man the
>> African-American
>> >>> >>>>>>>> Church, and
>> people who
>> >>> attend them, have been under tremendous
>> >>> >>>>>>>> attack ever
>> since last
>> >>> March with no let-up.  Ever since I began
>> >>> >>>>>>>> attending and
>> became saved
>> >>> in African-American churches in 1972,
>> >>> >>>>>>>> I've
>> heard dirty,
>> >>> dirty comments like:  "they just do in
>> their
>> >>> >>>>>>>> church what
>> they did in
>> >>> the slave days."  In the slave days,
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> African-Americans
>> >>> weren't permitted to know anything of the
>> Bible
>> >>> >>>>>>>> but
>> "Servants obey
>> >>> your masters in the Lord for this is right.
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> If people say
>> what people
>> >>> have said about one another's churches
>> >>> >>>>>>>> ever since
>> last March,
>> >>> referring to us as blind people, we'd be
>> up
>> >>> >>>>>>>> in arms.  Let
>> us all be
>> >>> more careful.
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> It hit me
>> like a
>> >>> thunderbolt while I was playing piano at a
>> senior
>> >>> >>>>>>>> citizens
>> building today
>> >>> why you all were upset.  And as upset as you
>> >>> >>>>>>>> were last
>> Thursday night,
>> >>> Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
>> >>> >>>>>>>> I read what
>> you
>> >>> particularly sent me privately at 5:00 on a
>> Sunday
>> >>> >>>>>>>> morning while
>>  I was
>> >>> getting ready for church.  I'm sorry and
>> maybe
>> >>> >>>>>>>> we can
>> understand one
>> >>> another better now.
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>  has been
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> "Loyalty
>> to petrified
>> >>> opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>> >>> >>>>>>>> human
>> soul," American
>> >>> Humorist Mark Twain
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> "An
>> attack on one of
>> >>> us is an attack on all of us," Dr.
>> Kenneth
>> >>> >>>>>>>> Jernigan,
>> Immediate Past
>> >>> President, National Federation of the Blind
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> "A
>> brother offended
>> >>> is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>> >>> >>>>>>>> their
>> contentions are like
>> >>> the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19.
>> KJV
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> "Faith
>> is the ability
>> >>> to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> "No one
>> can do it for
>> >>> us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation
>> Push,
>> >>> >>>>>>>> 1976.
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> "With
>> proper
>> >>> training, development, and opportunity,
>> blindness can
>> >>> >>>>>>>> be reduced to
>> the level of
>> >>> a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>> >>> >>>>>>>> the Late Dr.
>> Kenneth
>> >>> Jernigan, Past President, National Federation
>> >>> >>>>>>>> of the Blind.
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> Julie Vogt or
>> >>> jcvogt at pressenter.com
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>
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