[Faith-talk] False Accusations

Mon Nov 10 06:03:46 UTC 2008

ROTFL! What a joke!
Beth

On 11/10/08, Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net> wrote:
> Well siad Frank
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Lordi" <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>
>
>> The bible clearly states that homosexual sex is an abomination.
>>
>> This is one of the hardest things about believing.  We must submit to
>> God's law.  We are 'a stif fnecked people' so this is difficult but we
>> must do it.  We need not understand, we need not agree, but we must obey.
>> Our Lord says those are his friends who keep his commands.  So if we want
>> to be his friend, we must accept among other things, that homosexual sex
>> is a sin.
>>
>> Perhaps it will help to look at it this way.  I like women a great deal.
>> I cannot stop liking women.  Often times i 'want' badly to have relations
>> with said women, but God's law says no, so i must follow this or accept
>> the wages of sin.
>>
>> The same goes for homosexuals, for cleptomaniacs, for the greedy, the
>> hopeless, etc.  We all have our crosses to carry, our temptations to
>> resist.
>>
>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, BMW <lynnwhite51 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: BMW <lynnwhite51 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 10:49 PM
>>> Beth, sex outside of the relationship between a husband and
>>> wife is a sin.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk,for
>>> the discussion of faith and
>>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>
>>>
>>> > Okay, if homosexuality is a sin, guess what?  What
>>> about the
>>> > homosexuals who have homosexual relations with each
>>> other and cannot
>>> > be attracted to opposite sex members?  I again may
>>> mention that I have
>>> > friends who are gay/lesbian.  And I am pleased with
>>> Obama in the white
>>> > house.  God knows what's best, and I believe in a
>>> God who loves all,
>>> > and God knows that homosexuality is a sin, but it is a
>>> sin between
>>> > those who can physically have someone of the opposite
>>> sex along with
>>> > being attracted with someone of the opposite sex.
>>> Take my
>>> > ex-boyfriend for instance.  He likes women, but if he
>>> went to sleep
>>> > with a young college friend of mine who I know is
>>> attracted to girls,
>>> > THAT is a sin.  But if my friend who is lesbian went
>>> to sleep with the
>>> > equally lesbian girlfriend, it is not a sin.  We must
>>> love everybody
>>> > unconditionally, and we must not say that they are
>>> committing a sin
>>> > unless they really are and have the brain chemicals
>>> made up so that
>>> > they are attracted to someone of the opposite sex.  I
>>> am attracted to
>>> > menh, so if I went to sleep with my college roommate,
>>> for instance,
>>> > that would be a in in itself.  I am blind, and if I
>>> married a blind
>>> > man, that would be fine.  But the way this country and
>>> the bible seems
>>> > to be interpreted, homosexuality would be stomped out
>>> and next will be
>>> > blindness.  Before we know it, our listservs will be
>>> in jeopardy, an
>>> > then, we wouldn't be able to marry, write, read,
>>> go to college, and if
>>> > the Terrorists get our country, and that is if Barack
>>> Obama's not
>>> > watching over us, we will be wearing veils if
>>> we're female.  I for one
>>> > do not want any ore arguments about homosexuality to
>>> ever pop up again
>>> > on this listserv.  I want to play it straight: it may
>>> be a sin, but
>>> > unfortunately, nobody understands the homosexual
>>> cannot be changed if
>>> > they are truly homosexual.  I understand my friends,
>>> and they are good
>>> > people.  They are going to college and they are going
>>> to be band and
>>> > chorus teachers.  Do you people thin that these girls
>>> I'm friends with
>>> > shouldn't be band and chorus teachers to young
>>> children because they
>>> > are homosexuals?  According to the weird article I
>>> read, yes.  But I'd
>>> > hire them any time.
>>> > Anyway, that's my soap box for today.
>>> > Beth
>>> >
>>> > On 11/9/08, Frank Lordi
>>> <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >> you are speakin gof the concept of 'blood
>>> guilt'?
>>> >>
>>> >> This so often brought grief to Isreal, no?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Corey Cook
>>> <ccook01 at knology.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> From: Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net>
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>> >>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of
>>> faith and religion"
>>> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:44 PM
>>> >>> Homosexuality is sin.
>>> >>> Read Romans 1
>>> >>> read first Corinthians 6
>>> >>> Yes we need to love them just as we love all
>>> sinners, but
>>> >>> it is time to call it what it is, and that is
>>> sin!
>>> >>> It is a sin that will be the end of this
>>> country if we
>>> >>> allow it to be accepted and embraced.
>>> >>> Not a popular thought, but a true one.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan
>>> Wheeler"
>>> >>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>>> >>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of
>>> faith and
>>> >>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:29 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > Never mind.  I keep telling you it is
>>> called a sin in
>>> >>> the bible...if you don't want to believe
>>> that God calls
>>> >>> it a sin, I can't say anything to sway
>>> you.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > +-+-+-
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >   There is none holy as the LORD: for
>>> there is none
>>> >>> beside thee: neither is there any rock like
>>> our God.
>>> >>> > 1 Samuel 2:2
>>> >>> > ~~~
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Alan D Wheeler
>>> >>> > awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>> >>> > IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>> >>> > Skype: redwheel1
>>> >>> > Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM
>>> to 1 PM
>>> >>> eastern time at www.theqonline.net
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- From:
>>> "Beth"
>>> >>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> >>> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion
>>> of faith and
>>> >>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:41 PM
>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False
>>> Accusations
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >> We're talking about a country
>>> where not
>>> >>> everybody believes in God.  We
>>> >>> >> Christians are shoving God down the
>>> throats of
>>> >>> those who don't know
>>> >>> >> him.  We need to pray for the
>>> homosexuals and
>>> >>> those who are
>>> >>> >> experiencing a so-called sin ad we
>>> need to be
>>> >>> nicer to these people
>>> >>> >> for God's own sake.
>>> >>> >> Beth
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>>> >>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >>> At the same time, homosexuality
>>> is called a
>>> >>> sin and abomination by God. So
>>> >>> >>> you think we should allow people
>>> to continue
>>> >>> to sin against God?
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> +-+-+-
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>    We know that all things work
>>> together for
>>> >>> good for those who love God, to
>>> >>> >>> those
>>> >>> >>> who are called according to his
>>> purpose.
>>> >>> >>>  Romans 8:28
>>> >>> >>> ~~~
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Alan D Wheeler
>>> >>> >>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>> >>> >>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>> >>> >>> Skype: redwheel1
>>> >>> >>> Check me out on the Q, Fridays
>>> from 10 AM to 1
>>> >>> PM eastern time at
>>> >>> >>> www.theqonline.net
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> >>> From: "Beth"
>>> >>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> >>> >>> To: "Faith-talk,for the
>>> discussion of
>>> >>> faith and religion"
>>> >>> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008
>>> 10:44 AM
>>> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False
>>> Accusations
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>> I would have toagree with
>>> Julie.  Marriage
>>> >>> is about love, not
>>> >>> >>>> procreative reasons only.
>>> I've known
>>> >>> friends who've gotten married as
>>> >>> >>>> nonprocreative peoples.
>>> Also, has anybody
>>> >>> thought that marriage
>>> >>> >>>> should at least be for those
>>> that can
>>> >>> participate in it as well?
>>> >>> >>>> Also, if we have bans on
>>> same-sex
>>> >>> marriage, think of it this way: we
>>> >>> >>>> are forcing religion on the
>>> people, which
>>> >>> God really doesn't want us
>>> >>> >>>> to do.  To be Christ-like is
>>> not to shove
>>> >>> God down the throats of
>>> >>> >>>> those who don't know him,
>>> but to
>>> >>> spread God's love to them, to let
>>> >>> >>>> them be free people.
>>> >>> >>>> Beth
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>>> >>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >>>>> Beth,
>>> >>> >>>>> I gently disagree with
>>> you.  Marriage
>>> >>> was designed by God to be between a
>>> >>> >>>>> man and a woman.
>>> Don't take issue
>>> >>> because I said it.  Study the Bible
>>> >>> >>>>> and
>>> >>> >>>>> if you still don't
>>> like it, then
>>> >>> you have to take it up with God.  It was
>>> >>> >>>>> His idea to begin with,
>>> not man's.
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>> +-+-+-
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>    The LORD is my
>>> strength and song,
>>> >>> and he is become my salvation: he is
>>> >>> >>>>> my
>>> >>> >>>>> God, and I will prepare
>>> him an
>>> >>> >>>>>  habitation; my
>>> father's God, and
>>> >>> I will exalt him.
>>> >>> >>>>>  Exodus 15:2
>>> >>> >>>>> ~~~
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>> Alan D Wheeler
>>> >>> >>>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>> >>> >>>>> IM me at:
>>> outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>> >>> >>>>> Skype: redwheel1
>>> >>> >>>>> Check me out on the Q,
>>> Fridays from 10
>>> >>> AM to 1 PM eastern time at
>>> >>> >>>>> www.theqonline.net
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>> ----- Original Message
>>> -----
>>> >>> >>>>> From: "Beth"
>>> >>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> >>> >>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for
>>> the
>>> >>> discussion of faith and religion"
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November
>>> 09, 2008 7:29
>>> >>> AM
>>> >>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk]
>>> False
>>> >>> Accusations
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>> I don't care if
>>> Obama's
>>> >>> half-black.  God's people will come to
>>> >>> >>>>>> understand a few
>>> things:
>>> >>> >>>>>> 1. Marriage, for
>>> example, is not
>>> >>> between "one man and one woman".  It
>>> >>> >>>>>> is between two able
>>> parties, same
>>> >>> o different sex, that are actually
>>> >>> >>>>>> willing to stay
>>> together.  Our
>>> >>> high divorce rate of heterosexual
>>> >>> >>>>>> couples mostly is bad
>>> for our
>>> >>> children herein America.
>>> >>> >>>>>> 2. Abortion should
>>> never happen.
>>> >>> If it's something that has to do
>>> >>> >>>>>> with the mother's
>>> life and
>>> >>> health, then that's the only exception.
>>> >>> >>>>>> But rape and birth
>>> control reasons
>>> >>> are not good ones.
>>> >>> >>>>>> 3. Blind people can
>>> and wwill have
>>> >>> equal rights to vote, gain security
>>> >>> >>>>>> benefits, and so on.
>>> Yes,
>>> >>> Obama's the most liberal, but we need him.
>>> >>> >>>>>> Maybe he's a lot
>>> more
>>> >>> Christian than Bush was.  But God's people
>>> must
>>> >>> >>>>>> not be against him.
>>> I'm a
>>> >>> Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
>>> >>> >>>>>> Obama has also beat
>>> Kennedy by so
>>> >>> many years.  ANything having to do
>>> >>> >>>>>> with race is out as
>>> far as I'm
>>> >>> concerned.  Next, what will happen when
>>> >>> >>>>>> a woman is in the
>>> White House?
>>> >>> What about a blind woman? lol
>>> >>> >>>>>> Beth
>>> >>> >>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>> On 11/8/08, Linda
>>> Mentink
>>> >>> <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>> >>> >>>>>>> Hi Julie,
>>> >>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>> I'm sorry,
>>> too.  I'm
>>> >>> not against our president elect because
>>> he's
>>> >>> >>>>>>> black.  Fact is,
>>> he's half
>>> >>> black.  That's neither here nor
>>> >>> >>>>>>> there.  It's
>>> mainly
>>> >>> because he's the most liberal of all in
>>> Congress,
>>> >>> >>>>>>> and I believe
>>> that a lot of
>>> >>> our rights will be taken away once he is
>>> >>> >>>>>>> sworn in.
>>> We'll see what
>>> >>> happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
>>> >>> >>>>>>> the rest in
>>> authority over us.
>>> >>>  I sent those things to you because I
>>> >>> >>>>>>> knew you
>>> wouldn't find out
>>> >>> from the mainstream media.  But the
>>> >>> >>>>>>> election has made
>>> history, and
>>> >>> God's people need to be more vigilent
>>> >>> >>>>>>> than
>>> >>> >>>>>>> ever.
>>> >>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>> Blessings,
>>> >>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>> Linda
>>> >>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>> At 03:33 PM
>>> 11/8/2008, you
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> It happened
>>> by accident.
>>> >>> When you didn't stop attacking in my
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> in-box--those
>>> of you who
>>> >>> did it--people of other races by way of our
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> new
>>> President-elect, I
>>> >>> wrote what I wrote.  Now you know how false
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> accusations
>>> hurt
>>> >>> everybody.  Because of one man the
>>> African-American
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Church, and
>>> people who
>>> >>> attend them, have been under tremendous
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> attack ever
>>> since last
>>> >>> March with no let-up.  Ever since I began
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> attending and
>>> became saved
>>> >>> in African-American churches in 1972,
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> I've
>>> heard dirty,
>>> >>> dirty comments like:  "they just do in
>>> their
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> church what
>>> they did in
>>> >>> the slave days."  In the slave days,
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> African-Americans
>>> >>> weren't permitted to know anything of the
>>> Bible
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> but
>>> "Servants obey
>>> >>> your masters in the Lord for this is right.
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> If people say
>>> what people
>>> >>> have said about one another's churches
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> ever since
>>> last March,
>>> >>> referring to us as blind people, we'd be
>>> up
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> in arms.  Let
>>> us all be
>>> >>> more careful.
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> It hit me
>>> like a
>>> >>> thunderbolt while I was playing piano at a
>>> senior
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> citizens
>>> building today
>>> >>> why you all were upset.  And as upset as you
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> were last
>>> Thursday night,
>>> >>> Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> I read what
>>> you
>>> >>> particularly sent me privately at 5:00 on a
>>> Sunday
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> morning while
>>>  I was
>>> >>> getting ready for church.  I'm sorry and
>>> maybe
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> we can
>>> understand one
>>> >>> another better now.
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>  has been
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> "Loyalty
>>> to petrified
>>> >>> opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> human
>>> soul," American
>>> >>> Humorist Mark Twain
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> "An
>>> attack on one of
>>> >>> us is an attack on all of us," Dr.
>>> Kenneth
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Jernigan,
>>> Immediate Past
>>> >>> President, National Federation of the Blind
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> "A
>>> brother offended
>>> >>> is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> their
>>> contentions are like
>>> >>> the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19.
>>> KJV
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> "Faith
>>> is the ability
>>> >>> to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> "No one
>>> can do it for
>>> >>> us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation
>>> Push,
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> 1976.
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> "With
>>> proper
>>> >>> training, development, and opportunity,
>>> blindness can
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> be reduced to
>>> the level of
>>> >>> a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> the Late Dr.
>>> Kenneth
>>> >>> Jernigan, Past President, National Federation
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> of the Blind.
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Julie Vogt or
>>> >>> jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>
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