[Faith-talk] False Accusations

Julie C. Vogt jcvogt at pressenter.com
Mon Nov 10 21:38:22 UTC 2008 

Why didn't where Hillary go to church become a political issue is what I've 
wanted to know for so many months.  She gets her spiritual guidance from 
some Doug Coe or someone like that who is a known spiritual political 
machine.  Must not be too financial if she's still $30,000,000 in debt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations


> Yes.  Thanks, Bill.  Because of you, Hilary is not going to be in the
> White House.lol
> Beth
>
> On 11/10/08, Julie C. Vogt <jcvogt at pressenter.com> wrote:
>> Agreed.  Look up fornication and see what it says.  And if there is sex
>> outside of marriage, the woman will always pay before the man does,
>> President Clinton being the one public exception I've seen.  He 
>> complained
>> that people disrespected his wife while she was running for President. 
>> But
>> who was the one to disrespect her first?  Him.  During the Democrat
>> convention, the thing that struck me the funniest was when he was walking 
>> up
>> to speak, they were playing "Chain of Fools."  When he finished his 
>> speech,
>> what were they playing?  Robert Palmer's song, "Addicted to Love."  That 
>> was
>> a hoot.  He was a good President, but even good Presidents can disgrace 
>> the
>> country.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>
>>
>>> All sex out side of marriage is a sin in the bible.
>>> The biggest sexual sin the church needs to deal with from with in side 
>>> the
>>> church is premarital sex.
>>> And extra marital sex.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "BMW" <lynnwhite51 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>
>>>
>>>> Beth, sex outside of the relationship between a husband and wife is a
>>>> sin.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>> To: <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith
>>>> and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Okay, if homosexuality is a sin, guess what?  What about the
>>>>> homosexuals who have homosexual relations with each other and cannot
>>>>> be attracted to opposite sex members?  I again may mention that I have
>>>>> friends who are gay/lesbian.  And I am pleased with Obama in the white
>>>>> house.  God knows what's best, and I believe in a God who loves all,
>>>>> and God knows that homosexuality is a sin, but it is a sin between
>>>>> those who can physically have someone of the opposite sex along with
>>>>> being attracted with someone of the opposite sex.  Take my
>>>>> ex-boyfriend for instance.  He likes women, but if he went to sleep
>>>>> with a young college friend of mine who I know is attracted to girls,
>>>>> THAT is a sin.  But if my friend who is lesbian went to sleep with the
>>>>> equally lesbian girlfriend, it is not a sin.  We must love everybody
>>>>> unconditionally, and we must not say that they are committing a sin
>>>>> unless they really are and have the brain chemicals made up so that
>>>>> they are attracted to someone of the opposite sex.  I am attracted to
>>>>> menh, so if I went to sleep with my college roommate, for instance,
>>>>> that would be a in in itself.  I am blind, and if I married a blind
>>>>> man, that would be fine.  But the way this country and the bible seems
>>>>> to be interpreted, homosexuality would be stomped out and next will be
>>>>> blindness.  Before we know it, our listservs will be in jeopardy, an
>>>>> then, we wouldn't be able to marry, write, read, go to college, and if
>>>>> the Terrorists get our country, and that is if Barack Obama's not
>>>>> watching over us, we will be wearing veils if we're female.  I for one
>>>>> do not want any ore arguments about homosexuality to ever pop up again
>>>>> on this listserv.  I want to play it straight: it may be a sin, but
>>>>> unfortunately, nobody understands the homosexual cannot be changed if
>>>>> they are truly homosexual.  I understand my friends, and they are good
>>>>> people.  They are going to college and they are going to be band and
>>>>> chorus teachers.  Do you people thin that these girls I'm friends with
>>>>> shouldn't be band and chorus teachers to young children because they
>>>>> are homosexuals?  According to the weird article I read, yes.  But I'd
>>>>> hire them any time.
>>>>> Anyway, that's my soap box for today.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/9/08, Frank Lordi <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> you are speakin gof the concept of 'blood guilt'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This so often brought grief to Isreal, no?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:44 PM
>>>>>>> Homosexuality is sin.
>>>>>>> Read Romans 1
>>>>>>> read first Corinthians 6
>>>>>>> Yes we need to love them just as we love all sinners, but
>>>>>>> it is time to call it what it is, and that is sin!
>>>>>>> It is a sin that will be the end of this country if we
>>>>>>> allow it to be accepted and embraced.
>>>>>>> Not a popular thought, but a true one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Wheeler"
>>>>>>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:29 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Never mind.  I keep telling you it is called a sin in
>>>>>>> the bible...if you don't want to believe that God calls
>>>>>>> it a sin, I can't say anything to sway you.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > +-+-+-
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >   There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none
>>>>>>> beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
>>>>>>> > 1 Samuel 2:2
>>>>>>> > ~~~
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Alan D Wheeler
>>>>>>> > awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>>>>>> > IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>>>>>> > Skype: redwheel1
>>>>>>> > Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM to 1 PM
>>>>>>> eastern time at www.theqonline.net
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth"
>>>>>>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:41 PM
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> We're talking about a country where not
>>>>>>> everybody believes in God.  We
>>>>>>> >> Christians are shoving God down the throats of
>>>>>>> those who don't know
>>>>>>> >> him.  We need to pray for the homosexuals and
>>>>>>> those who are
>>>>>>> >> experiencing a so-called sin ad we need to be
>>>>>>> nicer to these people
>>>>>>> >> for God's own sake.
>>>>>>> >> Beth
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>>>>>>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> At the same time, homosexuality is called a
>>>>>>> sin and abomination by God. So
>>>>>>> >>> you think we should allow people to continue
>>>>>>> to sin against God?
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> +-+-+-
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>    We know that all things work together for
>>>>>>> good for those who love God, to
>>>>>>> >>> those
>>>>>>> >>> who are called according to his purpose.
>>>>>>> >>>  Romans 8:28
>>>>>>> >>> ~~~
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Alan D Wheeler
>>>>>>> >>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>>>>>> >>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>>>>>> >>> Skype: redwheel1
>>>>>>> >>> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM to 1
>>>>>>> PM eastern time at
>>>>>>> >>> www.theqonline.net
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >>> From: "Beth"
>>>>>>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of
>>>>>>> faith and religion"
>>>>>>> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:44 AM
>>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> I would have toagree with Julie.  Marriage
>>>>>>> is about love, not
>>>>>>> >>>> procreative reasons only.  I've known
>>>>>>> friends who've gotten married as
>>>>>>> >>>> nonprocreative peoples.  Also, has anybody
>>>>>>> thought that marriage
>>>>>>> >>>> should at least be for those that can
>>>>>>> participate in it as well?
>>>>>>> >>>> Also, if we have bans on same-sex
>>>>>>> marriage, think of it this way: we
>>>>>>> >>>> are forcing religion on the people, which
>>>>>>> God really doesn't want us
>>>>>>> >>>> to do.  To be Christ-like is not to shove
>>>>>>> God down the throats of
>>>>>>> >>>> those who don't know him, but to
>>>>>>> spread God's love to them, to let
>>>>>>> >>>> them be free people.
>>>>>>> >>>> Beth
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>>>>>>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>> >>>>> I gently disagree with you.  Marriage
>>>>>>> was designed by God to be between a
>>>>>>> >>>>> man and a woman.  Don't take issue
>>>>>>> because I said it.  Study the Bible
>>>>>>> >>>>> and
>>>>>>> >>>>> if you still don't like it, then
>>>>>>> you have to take it up with God.  It was
>>>>>>> >>>>> His idea to begin with, not man's.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> +-+-+-
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>    The LORD is my strength and song,
>>>>>>> and he is become my salvation: he is
>>>>>>> >>>>> my
>>>>>>> >>>>> God, and I will prepare him an
>>>>>>> >>>>>  habitation; my father's God, and
>>>>>>> I will exalt him.
>>>>>>> >>>>>  Exodus 15:2
>>>>>>> >>>>> ~~~
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> Alan D Wheeler
>>>>>>> >>>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>>>>>> >>>>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>>>>>> >>>>> Skype: redwheel1
>>>>>>> >>>>> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10
>>>>>>> AM to 1 PM eastern time at
>>>>>>> >>>>> www.theqonline.net
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >>>>> From: "Beth"
>>>>>>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the
>>>>>>> discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>> >>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:29
>>>>>>> AM
>>>>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False
>>>>>>> Accusations
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> I don't care if Obama's
>>>>>>> half-black.  God's people will come to
>>>>>>> >>>>>> understand a few things:
>>>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Marriage, for example, is not
>>>>>>> between "one man and one woman".  It
>>>>>>> >>>>>> is between two able parties, same
>>>>>>> o different sex, that are actually
>>>>>>> >>>>>> willing to stay together.  Our
>>>>>>> high divorce rate of heterosexual
>>>>>>> >>>>>> couples mostly is bad for our
>>>>>>> children herein America.
>>>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Abortion should never happen.
>>>>>>> If it's something that has to do
>>>>>>> >>>>>> with the mother's life and
>>>>>>> health, then that's the only exception.
>>>>>>> >>>>>> But rape and birth control reasons
>>>>>>> are not good ones.
>>>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Blind people can and wwill have
>>>>>>> equal rights to vote, gain security
>>>>>>> >>>>>> benefits, and so on.  Yes,
>>>>>>> Obama's the most liberal, but we need him.
>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe he's a lot more
>>>>>>> Christian than Bush was.  But God's people must
>>>>>>> >>>>>> not be against him.  I'm a
>>>>>>> Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
>>>>>>> >>>>>> Obama has also beat Kennedy by so
>>>>>>> many years.  ANything having to do
>>>>>>> >>>>>> with race is out as far as I'm
>>>>>>> concerned.  Next, what will happen when
>>>>>>> >>>>>> a woman is in the White House?
>>>>>>> What about a blind woman? lol
>>>>>>> >>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/8/08, Linda Mentink
>>>>>>> <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Julie,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sorry, too.  I'm
>>>>>>> not against our president elect because he's
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> black.  Fact is, he's half
>>>>>>> black.  That's neither here nor
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> there.  It's mainly
>>>>>>> because he's the most liberal of all in Congress,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> and I believe that a lot of
>>>>>>> our rights will be taken away once he is
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> sworn in.  We'll see what
>>>>>>> happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> the rest in authority over us.
>>>>>>>  I sent those things to you because I
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> knew you wouldn't find out
>>>>>>> from the mainstream media.  But the
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> election has made history, and
>>>>>>> God's people need to be more vigilent
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 03:33 PM 11/8/2008, you
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It happened by accident.
>>>>>>> When you didn't stop attacking in my
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in-box--those of you who
>>>>>>> did it--people of other races by way of our
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> new President-elect, I
>>>>>>> wrote what I wrote.  Now you know how false
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> accusations hurt
>>>>>>> everybody.  Because of one man the African-American
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Church, and people who
>>>>>>> attend them, have been under tremendous
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> attack ever since last
>>>>>>> March with no let-up.  Ever since I began
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> attending and became saved
>>>>>>> in African-American churches in 1972,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've heard dirty,
>>>>>>> dirty comments like:  "they just do in their
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> church what they did in
>>>>>>> the slave days."  In the slave days,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> African-Americans
>>>>>>> weren't permitted to know anything of the Bible
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but "Servants obey
>>>>>>> your masters in the Lord for this is right.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If people say what people
>>>>>>> have said about one another's churches
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ever since last March,
>>>>>>> referring to us as blind people, we'd be up
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in arms.  Let us all be
>>>>>>> more careful.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It hit me like a
>>>>>>> thunderbolt while I was playing piano at a senior
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> citizens building today
>>>>>>> why you all were upset.  And as upset as you
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> were last Thursday night,
>>>>>>> Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I read what you
>>>>>>> particularly sent me privately at 5:00 on a Sunday
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> morning while  I was
>>>>>>> getting ready for church.  I'm sorry and maybe
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we can understand one
>>>>>>> another better now.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>  has been
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Loyalty to petrified
>>>>>>> opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> human soul," American
>>>>>>> Humorist Mark Twain
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "An attack on one of
>>>>>>> us is an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jernigan, Immediate Past
>>>>>>> President, National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "A brother offended
>>>>>>> is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> their contentions are like
>>>>>>> the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. KJV
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Faith is the ability
>>>>>>> to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "No one can do it for
>>>>>>> us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation Push,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1976.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "With proper
>>>>>>> training, development, and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> be reduced to the level of
>>>>>>> a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the Late Dr. Kenneth
>>>>>>> Jernigan, Past President, National Federation
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> of the Blind.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Julie Vogt or
>>>>>>> jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
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