[Faith-talk] False Accusations

Beth thebluesisloose at gmail.com
Mon Nov 10 19:21:08 UTC 2008 

Yes.  Thanks, Bill.  Because of you, Hilary is not going to be in the
White House.lol
Beth

On 11/10/08, Julie C. Vogt <jcvogt at pressenter.com> wrote:
> Agreed.  Look up fornication and see what it says.  And if there is sex
> outside of marriage, the woman will always pay before the man does,
> President Clinton being the one public exception I've seen.  He complained
> that people disrespected his wife while she was running for President.  But
> who was the one to disrespect her first?  Him.  During the Democrat
> convention, the thing that struck me the funniest was when he was walking up
> to speak, they were playing "Chain of Fools."  When he finished his speech,
> what were they playing?  Robert Palmer's song, "Addicted to Love."  That was
> a hoot.  He was a good President, but even good Presidents can disgrace the
> country.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>
>
>> All sex out side of marriage is a sin in the bible.
>> The biggest sexual sin the church needs to deal with from with in side the
>> church is premarital sex.
>> And extra marital sex.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "BMW" <lynnwhite51 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>
>>
>>> Beth, sex outside of the relationship between a husband and wife is a
>>> sin.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith
>>> and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>
>>>
>>>> Okay, if homosexuality is a sin, guess what?  What about the
>>>> homosexuals who have homosexual relations with each other and cannot
>>>> be attracted to opposite sex members?  I again may mention that I have
>>>> friends who are gay/lesbian.  And I am pleased with Obama in the white
>>>> house.  God knows what's best, and I believe in a God who loves all,
>>>> and God knows that homosexuality is a sin, but it is a sin between
>>>> those who can physically have someone of the opposite sex along with
>>>> being attracted with someone of the opposite sex.  Take my
>>>> ex-boyfriend for instance.  He likes women, but if he went to sleep
>>>> with a young college friend of mine who I know is attracted to girls,
>>>> THAT is a sin.  But if my friend who is lesbian went to sleep with the
>>>> equally lesbian girlfriend, it is not a sin.  We must love everybody
>>>> unconditionally, and we must not say that they are committing a sin
>>>> unless they really are and have the brain chemicals made up so that
>>>> they are attracted to someone of the opposite sex.  I am attracted to
>>>> menh, so if I went to sleep with my college roommate, for instance,
>>>> that would be a in in itself.  I am blind, and if I married a blind
>>>> man, that would be fine.  But the way this country and the bible seems
>>>> to be interpreted, homosexuality would be stomped out and next will be
>>>> blindness.  Before we know it, our listservs will be in jeopardy, an
>>>> then, we wouldn't be able to marry, write, read, go to college, and if
>>>> the Terrorists get our country, and that is if Barack Obama's not
>>>> watching over us, we will be wearing veils if we're female.  I for one
>>>> do not want any ore arguments about homosexuality to ever pop up again
>>>> on this listserv.  I want to play it straight: it may be a sin, but
>>>> unfortunately, nobody understands the homosexual cannot be changed if
>>>> they are truly homosexual.  I understand my friends, and they are good
>>>> people.  They are going to college and they are going to be band and
>>>> chorus teachers.  Do you people thin that these girls I'm friends with
>>>> shouldn't be band and chorus teachers to young children because they
>>>> are homosexuals?  According to the weird article I read, yes.  But I'd
>>>> hire them any time.
>>>> Anyway, that's my soap box for today.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> On 11/9/08, Frank Lordi <timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> you are speakin gof the concept of 'blood guilt'?
>>>>>
>>>>> This so often brought grief to Isreal, no?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Corey Cook <ccook01 at knology.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:44 PM
>>>>>> Homosexuality is sin.
>>>>>> Read Romans 1
>>>>>> read first Corinthians 6
>>>>>> Yes we need to love them just as we love all sinners, but
>>>>>> it is time to call it what it is, and that is sin!
>>>>>> It is a sin that will be the end of this country if we
>>>>>> allow it to be accepted and embraced.
>>>>>> Not a popular thought, but a true one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Wheeler"
>>>>>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:29 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Never mind.  I keep telling you it is called a sin in
>>>>>> the bible...if you don't want to believe that God calls
>>>>>> it a sin, I can't say anything to sway you.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > +-+-+-
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >   There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none
>>>>>> beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
>>>>>> > 1 Samuel 2:2
>>>>>> > ~~~
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Alan D Wheeler
>>>>>> > awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>>>>> > IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>>>>> > Skype: redwheel1
>>>>>> > Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM to 1 PM
>>>>>> eastern time at www.theqonline.net
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth"
>>>>>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>> religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:41 PM
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> We're talking about a country where not
>>>>>> everybody believes in God.  We
>>>>>> >> Christians are shoving God down the throats of
>>>>>> those who don't know
>>>>>> >> him.  We need to pray for the homosexuals and
>>>>>> those who are
>>>>>> >> experiencing a so-called sin ad we need to be
>>>>>> nicer to these people
>>>>>> >> for God's own sake.
>>>>>> >> Beth
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>>>>>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>> At the same time, homosexuality is called a
>>>>>> sin and abomination by God. So
>>>>>> >>> you think we should allow people to continue
>>>>>> to sin against God?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> +-+-+-
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>    We know that all things work together for
>>>>>> good for those who love God, to
>>>>>> >>> those
>>>>>> >>> who are called according to his purpose.
>>>>>> >>>  Romans 8:28
>>>>>> >>> ~~~
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Alan D Wheeler
>>>>>> >>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>>>>> >>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>>>>> >>> Skype: redwheel1
>>>>>> >>> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10 AM to 1
>>>>>> PM eastern time at
>>>>>> >>> www.theqonline.net
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >>> From: "Beth"
>>>>>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of
>>>>>> faith and religion"
>>>>>> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:44 AM
>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False Accusations
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> I would have toagree with Julie.  Marriage
>>>>>> is about love, not
>>>>>> >>>> procreative reasons only.  I've known
>>>>>> friends who've gotten married as
>>>>>> >>>> nonprocreative peoples.  Also, has anybody
>>>>>> thought that marriage
>>>>>> >>>> should at least be for those that can
>>>>>> participate in it as well?
>>>>>> >>>> Also, if we have bans on same-sex
>>>>>> marriage, think of it this way: we
>>>>>> >>>> are forcing religion on the people, which
>>>>>> God really doesn't want us
>>>>>> >>>> to do.  To be Christ-like is not to shove
>>>>>> God down the throats of
>>>>>> >>>> those who don't know him, but to
>>>>>> spread God's love to them, to let
>>>>>> >>>> them be free people.
>>>>>> >>>> Beth
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On 11/9/08, Alan Wheeler
>>>>>> <awheeler at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>> Beth,
>>>>>> >>>>> I gently disagree with you.  Marriage
>>>>>> was designed by God to be between a
>>>>>> >>>>> man and a woman.  Don't take issue
>>>>>> because I said it.  Study the Bible
>>>>>> >>>>> and
>>>>>> >>>>> if you still don't like it, then
>>>>>> you have to take it up with God.  It was
>>>>>> >>>>> His idea to begin with, not man's.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> +-+-+-
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>    The LORD is my strength and song,
>>>>>> and he is become my salvation: he is
>>>>>> >>>>> my
>>>>>> >>>>> God, and I will prepare him an
>>>>>> >>>>>  habitation; my father's God, and
>>>>>> I will exalt him.
>>>>>> >>>>>  Exodus 15:2
>>>>>> >>>>> ~~~
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Alan D Wheeler
>>>>>> >>>>> awheeler at neb.rr.com
>>>>>> >>>>> IM me at: outlaw-cowboy at live.com
>>>>>> >>>>> Skype: redwheel1
>>>>>> >>>>> Check me out on the Q, Fridays from 10
>>>>>> AM to 1 PM eastern time at
>>>>>> >>>>> www.theqonline.net
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >>>>> From: "Beth"
>>>>>> <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the
>>>>>> discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>> >>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:29
>>>>>> AM
>>>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] False
>>>>>> Accusations
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> I don't care if Obama's
>>>>>> half-black.  God's people will come to
>>>>>> >>>>>> understand a few things:
>>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Marriage, for example, is not
>>>>>> between "one man and one woman".  It
>>>>>> >>>>>> is between two able parties, same
>>>>>> o different sex, that are actually
>>>>>> >>>>>> willing to stay together.  Our
>>>>>> high divorce rate of heterosexual
>>>>>> >>>>>> couples mostly is bad for our
>>>>>> children herein America.
>>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Abortion should never happen.
>>>>>> If it's something that has to do
>>>>>> >>>>>> with the mother's life and
>>>>>> health, then that's the only exception.
>>>>>> >>>>>> But rape and birth control reasons
>>>>>> are not good ones.
>>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Blind people can and wwill have
>>>>>> equal rights to vote, gain security
>>>>>> >>>>>> benefits, and so on.  Yes,
>>>>>> Obama's the most liberal, but we need him.
>>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe he's a lot more
>>>>>> Christian than Bush was.  But God's people must
>>>>>> >>>>>> not be against him.  I'm a
>>>>>> Catholic, and I'm also a liberal as well.
>>>>>> >>>>>> Obama has also beat Kennedy by so
>>>>>> many years.  ANything having to do
>>>>>> >>>>>> with race is out as far as I'm
>>>>>> concerned.  Next, what will happen when
>>>>>> >>>>>> a woman is in the White House?
>>>>>> What about a blind woman? lol
>>>>>> >>>>>> Beth
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/8/08, Linda Mentink
>>>>>> <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Julie,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sorry, too.  I'm
>>>>>> not against our president elect because he's
>>>>>> >>>>>>> black.  Fact is, he's half
>>>>>> black.  That's neither here nor
>>>>>> >>>>>>> there.  It's mainly
>>>>>> because he's the most liberal of all in Congress,
>>>>>> >>>>>>> and I believe that a lot of
>>>>>> our rights will be taken away once he is
>>>>>> >>>>>>> sworn in.  We'll see what
>>>>>> happens, but I'm praying for him, and all
>>>>>> >>>>>>> the rest in authority over us.
>>>>>>  I sent those things to you because I
>>>>>> >>>>>>> knew you wouldn't find out
>>>>>> from the mainstream media.  But the
>>>>>> >>>>>>> election has made history, and
>>>>>> God's people need to be more vigilent
>>>>>> >>>>>>> than
>>>>>> >>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 03:33 PM 11/8/2008, you
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It happened by accident.
>>>>>> When you didn't stop attacking in my
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in-box--those of you who
>>>>>> did it--people of other races by way of our
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> new President-elect, I
>>>>>> wrote what I wrote.  Now you know how false
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> accusations hurt
>>>>>> everybody.  Because of one man the African-American
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Church, and people who
>>>>>> attend them, have been under tremendous
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> attack ever since last
>>>>>> March with no let-up.  Ever since I began
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> attending and became saved
>>>>>> in African-American churches in 1972,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've heard dirty,
>>>>>> dirty comments like:  "they just do in their
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> church what they did in
>>>>>> the slave days."  In the slave days,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> African-Americans
>>>>>> weren't permitted to know anything of the Bible
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but "Servants obey
>>>>>> your masters in the Lord for this is right.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If people say what people
>>>>>> have said about one another's churches
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ever since last March,
>>>>>> referring to us as blind people, we'd be up
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in arms.  Let us all be
>>>>>> more careful.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It hit me like a
>>>>>> thunderbolt while I was playing piano at a senior
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> citizens building today
>>>>>> why you all were upset.  And as upset as you
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> were last Thursday night,
>>>>>> Linda, I was that upset one month ago when
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I read what you
>>>>>> particularly sent me privately at 5:00 on a Sunday
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> morning while  I was
>>>>>> getting ready for church.  I'm sorry and maybe
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we can understand one
>>>>>> another better now.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>  has been
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Loyalty to petrified
>>>>>> opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> human soul," American
>>>>>> Humorist Mark Twain
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "An attack on one of
>>>>>> us is an attack on all of us," Dr. Kenneth
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jernigan, Immediate Past
>>>>>> President, National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "A brother offended
>>>>>> is harder to be won than a strong city: and
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> their contentions are like
>>>>>> the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18 19. KJV
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Faith is the ability
>>>>>> to see God in the dark.," (unknown)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "No one can do it for
>>>>>> us but us," Rev. Jesse Jackson, Operation Push,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1976.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "With proper
>>>>>> training, development, and opportunity, blindness can
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> be reduced to the level of
>>>>>> a physical nuisance or characteristic,"
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the Late Dr. Kenneth
>>>>>> Jernigan, Past President, National Federation
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> of the Blind.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Julie Vogt or
>>>>>> jcvogt at pressenter.com
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
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