[Faith-talk] Fw: BreakPoint: So Much for Tolerance, 11/13/08

Fri Nov 14 03:59:06 UTC 2008

I was wondering if they read the same thing I did.  Just because that 
hateful ad was shown does not excuse the behavior that is going on right 
now.
Maybe it's time now that we Christians in the States shall see persecution 
at our doors.  And if it does come to you, remember they hated Jesus before 
you.  They don't hate you for your sake, but who you worship.  I would like 
to think that I would be one who would die because of my faith rather than 
live because I denied knowing Him.
Barbara

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From: "Everett Gavel" <everettg at successfuladaptations.com>
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> Unfortunately, some of you seem to have misunderstood what was forwarded. 
> Please read again, and read slowly, with some attention to the details. 
> The bit about the two mormons visiting and forcing themselves into the 
> home of the "lesbian couple," was a political *advertisement* against Prop 
> 8.  It was not real.  What was real, however, and was the reason I 
> forwarded it, was to show that the hatred and (although minor, thus far, 
> compared to other countries) persecution of Christians is here and alive 
> in the USA.
>
> Strive On,
> Everett
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> that's weird -- I doubt the 2 young men in the report were really mormon
> missionaries as while the mormons campaign vigorously against same sex
> marriage, they wouldn't have committed a crime (stealing rings and
> ransacking a house). Must have been a front used by 2 guys looking for
> trouble.
> My church is adamantly against same sex unions, but I personally wonder
> about the justification for banning them as the people involved would be
> living a gay lifestyle to begin with and changing the legal status 
> wouldn't
> affect anyone else -- I understand wanting the name to be different: 
> "civil
> union" as opposed to marriage.  My friends at church say they oppose any
> kind of union as that would put them in a contract that would be harder to
> get out of should they change their mindset, even if the contract was not
> deemed a "marriage".
> Is this a can of worms that we don't want to open on this list?
> I have to teach a lesson on marriage this coming sunday so am thinking 
> about
> it in case one of the kids brings it up...
> Take care.
> --le
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "BreakPoint" <prison_fellowship at informz.net>
> Subject: BreakPoint: So Much for Tolerance, 11/13/08
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> So Much for Tolerance
> The Aftermath of Prop 8
>
> November 13, 2008
>
> The ad ran all over California on Election Day -- and
> surely sets a record for anti-religious bigotry. Two
> clean-cut young men knock at the door of a lesbian
> couple. The men identify themselves as Mormon
> missionaries. "We're here to take away your rights,"
> they announce.
>
> They snatch the women's wedding rings off their fingers
> and ransack their home. When they find the couple's
> marriage license, they rip it in half. "Say no to a
> church taking over your government," the voiceover
> says. "Vote 'no' on Proposition 8."
>
> Despite such vicious attacks, California's Proposition
> 8, which defined marriage as between one man and one
> woman, passed. But the assaults on churches have just
> begun.
>
> Two days after the election, 2,000 homosexual
> protesters surrounded a Mormon temple in Los Angeles
> chanting "Mormon scum." Protesters picketed Rick
> Warren's Saddleback Church, holding signs reading
> "Purpose-Driven Hate." Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills
> was spray painted. Church members' cars have been
> vandalized, and at least two Christians were assaulted.
> Protesters even hurled racial epithets at
> African-Americans because African-Americans voted
> overwhelmingly in favor of traditional marriage.
>
> This is an outrage. What hypocrisy from those who spend
> all of their time preaching tolerance to the rest of
> us!  How dare they threaten and attack political
> opponents? We live a democratic country, not a banana
> republic ruled by thugs.
>
> Clearly, Christians need to redouble their efforts to
> help people understand what marriage is all about. In
> Los Angeles, when protesters gathered at the Cathedral
> of Our Lady of the Angels, they chanted, "What Would
> Jesus say?"
>
> That's a good question, and the Church should not
> hesitate to answer it. What would Jesus say about
> same-sex "marriage?"
>
> To get to the answer, let's first understand the
> meaning and purpose of marriage. In his book THE CLASH
> OF ORTHODOXIES, Princeton philosopher Robert George
> writes that matrimonial law reflects a moral
> judgment -- that marriage is inherently heterosexual,
> monogamous, and permanent -- a union of one man and one
> woman.
>
> This view reflects the biblical and natural law
> understanding that marriage is a two-in-one-flesh
> communion of persons. This communion is consummated by
> sexual acts that are reproductive in nature. They unite
> the spouses as a single procreative unit -- an organic
> unity achieved even by infertile couples. Only a mated
> pair can be a complete organism capable of human
> procreation.
>
> Since homosexual acts have no relationship to
> procreation and cannot unite persons organically, these
> acts cannot be marital -- which means relationships
> integrated around them cannot be marriages.
>
> We've got a winsome case, but we've got to get better
> equipped to explain it to our neighbors. You could
> start by reading THE CLASH OF ORTHODOXIES and other
> material available on our website. And then, start
> discussing these issues in your small groups, Sunday
> school classes, and youth groups.
>
> By protecting traditional marriage, we aren't taking
> away anybody's rights. We are simply upholding the
> framework of society's most basic institution, the loss
> of which would irreparably damage our families and our
> society.
>
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