[Faith-talk] Blindness and church

Fri Feb 12 23:34:46 UTC 2010

I think I kind of like the combination of old and new, too. The old songs
havae such meaningful words and challenge us, but sometimes the newer kind
of things that are a bit repeatative give me a chance to sing and think and
almost use them as a prayer part of worship. Granted, you could say, most of
the "new" songs we sing are things like the old Vineyard songs, they're not
the new ones that have recently come out.Some maybe I'm still old old
instead of new and old!  (grin!)

Charlene 

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All I am going to say is that I like and respect churches that can do a
little of both the old and new. I used to attend such a church and even
played drums for the worship team. The old hymns were done with the utmost
respect, I might add. That way we reached out to all age groups.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Blindness and church

> Debbie,
>
> I'm with you totally.  Since moving here to Nebraska to a church where 
> only the old hymns and gospel songs are sung, I have so much more peach. 
> In fact, everyone stays in the sanctuary through the whole of all our 
> services, which I believe helps the young people to be more deeply 
> grounded in the Word, and in their knowledge of their Lord, when they 
> finally accept Jesus as their Saviour.
>
> We are only separated by age during our Sunday School time, and there is 
> no discussion for us to share our ignorance; we are taught by a very godly

> man.  I'm thrilled to be rid of the inner turmoil over the music, and I 
> have been blessed to learn more hymns and gospel songs than I ever knew 
> existed! Much of the new music is loud, shallow and repetitive.
>
> Now, don't you all email me privately, or email this list to tell me that 
> you love the new music. That's your choice, and this is mine! Smile.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Linda
>
> At 06:44 AM 2/12/2010, you wrote:
>>I am a little worried about "styles of worship."  I think all of us old 
>>geezers need to be around young people and to respect, if not necessarily 
>>appreciate, their music and culture, to the degree that it does not 
>>conflict with Scripture.  Also, the you ng people need to learn to sing 
>>the old hymns and to understand and respect their elders.  Scripture 
>>teaches that the older men and women must teach the younger, and how can 
>>they do that if they never mix?  I don't see anything in Scripture that 
>>says that heaven will be segregated by age, race, nationality, or anything

>>else?
>>
>>Debbie Brown
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Lordi" 
>><timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>
>>To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 12:23 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Blindness and church
>>
>>
>>
>>"How some people practice the faith or put it into practice does not 
>>change the content of what the faith is."
>>
>>This is a great truth that sadly many fail to realize.
>>Thanks Father.
>>Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Fr. John Sheehan <xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com>
>>To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 10:06:42 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Blindness and church
>>
>>One of the great accomplishments of Vatican II was recognizing that the 
>>Church is made up of people of very different tastes and gifts and ways of

>>wanting to worship. Many individual parishes offer a range of Mass 
>>styles - and if you cannot find one parish that has something you like, 
>>there are bound to be others. In the same way, more churches are now 
>>offering Masses in different languages - French, Latin, Spanish, Creole, 
>>etc. Some like guitar music - some like incense and organs - some like 
>>quiet.
>>
>>It is important to keep in mind the difference between styles of worship -

>>and that includes the personality of the priest and the preaching - and 
>>the content, which is the credal content of the faith. I am a Catholic, 
>>firmly and committed. Do I agree with each and every policy of the Roman 
>>Catholic Church? Nope. If I am ever in a position to help create change, I

>>do. But the basics of my faith do not change according to whether I like 
>>the pastor, approve of the music, or disagree with the preaching or the 
>>way an individual or even a group of individuals is treated. How some 
>>people practice the faith or put it into practice does not change the 
>>content of what the faith is.
>>
>>We are all sinners - we all fail - and I try hard not to put myself in the

>>position of judging (something Jesus warned against a lot). My call is to 
>>live the faith as best I can - and to forgive those who fail, as I hope 
>>they will forgive me.
>>Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ
>>Chairman
>>
>>
>>Xavier Society for the Blind
>>154 East 23rd St
>>New York, NY 10010
>>(212) 473-7800
>>Help us raise money for the Xavier Society for the Blind just by searching

>>the Internet or shopping online with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - 
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>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From: Norma Crosby <norma.crosby at gmail.com>
>>To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 2:34:09 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Blindness and church
>>
>>I have been watching this thread for a few days without making comment.
>>However, I guess I have two to make. Understand that I am just a spiritual
>>seeker. I hold no position in any church hierarchy, so here goes.
>>
>>First, I am hearing some people suggest that you find a different church,
>>and I would agree that if you are uncomfortable in your parish, you should
>>look for a new church home. That is not a recommendation to leave the
>>Catholic Church. Rather, it is a suggestion that you search and find a
>>congregation where you are more comfortable.
>>
>>Second, I see others have suggested that you leave your current faith
>>altogether, and I think that sounds radical unless you are truly unhappy
>>with the church as a whole. I am not a Catholic, although I have an 
>>interest
>>in learning more about Catholicism, but I would point out that you will 
>>find
>>negative aspects of almost any faith you choose. You will find people in
>>virtually every denomination who are more narrow minded than you would 
>>like,
>>and you probably will run across discrimination on the basis of your
>>blindness as well. This is a togh decision, and I will be praying for you 
>>as
>>you make.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Norma Crosby
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Yes, RJ. I'm on Facebook under www.facebook.com/tallygirl. Check me out.
>>>Beth
>>>
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