[Faith-talk] Blindness and church

Fri Feb 12 23:22:32 UTC 2010

All I am going to say is that I like and respect churches that can do a 
little of both the old and new. I used to attend such a church and even 
played drums for the worship team. The old hymns were done with the utmost 
respect, I might add. That way we reached out to all age groups.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Blindness and church

> Debbie,
>
> I'm with you totally.  Since moving here to Nebraska to a church where 
> only the old hymns and gospel songs are sung, I have so much more peach. 
> In fact, everyone stays in the sanctuary through the whole of all our 
> services, which I believe helps the young people to be more deeply 
> grounded in the Word, and in their knowledge of their Lord, when they 
> finally accept Jesus as their Saviour.
>
> We are only separated by age during our Sunday School time, and there is 
> no discussion for us to share our ignorance; we are taught by a very godly 
> man.  I'm thrilled to be rid of the inner turmoil over the music, and I 
> have been blessed to learn more hymns and gospel songs than I ever knew 
> existed! Much of the new music is loud, shallow and repetitive.
>
> Now, don't you all email me privately, or email this list to tell me that 
> you love the new music. That's your choice, and this is mine! Smile.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Linda
>
> At 06:44 AM 2/12/2010, you wrote:
>>I am a little worried about "styles of worship."  I think all of us old 
>>geezers need to be around young people and to respect, if not necessarily 
>>appreciate, their music and culture, to the degree that it does not 
>>conflict with Scripture.  Also, the you ng people need to learn to sing 
>>the old hymns and to understand and respect their elders.  Scripture 
>>teaches that the older men and women must teach the younger, and how can 
>>they do that if they never mix?  I don't see anything in Scripture that 
>>says that heaven will be segregated by age, race, nationality, or anything 
>>else?
>>
>>Debbie Brown
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Lordi" 
>><timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com>
>>To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 12:23 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Blindness and church
>>
>>
>>
>>"How some people practice the faith or put it into practice does not 
>>change the content of what the faith is."
>>
>>This is a great truth that sadly many fail to realize.
>>Thanks Father.
>>Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Fr. John Sheehan <xaviersocietyfortheblind at yahoo.com>
>>To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 10:06:42 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Blindness and church
>>
>>One of the great accomplishments of Vatican II was recognizing that the 
>>Church is made up of people of very different tastes and gifts and ways of 
>>wanting to worship. Many individual parishes offer a range of Mass 
>>styles - and if you cannot find one parish that has something you like, 
>>there are bound to be others. In the same way, more churches are now 
>>offering Masses in different languages - French, Latin, Spanish, Creole, 
>>etc. Some like guitar music - some like incense and organs - some like 
>>quiet.
>>
>>It is important to keep in mind the difference between styles of worship - 
>>and that includes the personality of the priest and the preaching - and 
>>the content, which is the credal content of the faith. I am a Catholic, 
>>firmly and committed. Do I agree with each and every policy of the Roman 
>>Catholic Church? Nope. If I am ever in a position to help create change, I 
>>do. But the basics of my faith do not change according to whether I like 
>>the pastor, approve of the music, or disagree with the preaching or the 
>>way an individual or even a group of individuals is treated. How some 
>>people practice the faith or put it into practice does not change the 
>>content of what the faith is.
>>
>>We are all sinners - we all fail - and I try hard not to put myself in the 
>>position of judging (something Jesus warned against a lot). My call is to 
>>live the faith as best I can - and to forgive those who fail, as I hope 
>>they will forgive me.
>>Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ
>>Chairman
>>
>>
>>Xavier Society for the Blind
>>154 East 23rd St
>>New York, NY 10010
>>(212) 473-7800
>>Help us raise money for the Xavier Society for the Blind just by searching 
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>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From: Norma Crosby <norma.crosby at gmail.com>
>>To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 2:34:09 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Blindness and church
>>
>>I have been watching this thread for a few days without making comment.
>>However, I guess I have two to make. Understand that I am just a spiritual
>>seeker. I hold no position in any church hierarchy, so here goes.
>>
>>First, I am hearing some people suggest that you find a different church,
>>and I would agree that if you are uncomfortable in your parish, you should
>>look for a new church home. That is not a recommendation to leave the
>>Catholic Church. Rather, it is a suggestion that you search and find a
>>congregation where you are more comfortable.
>>
>>Second, I see others have suggested that you leave your current faith
>>altogether, and I think that sounds radical unless you are truly unhappy
>>with the church as a whole. I am not a Catholic, although I have an 
>>interest
>>in learning more about Catholicism, but I would point out that you will 
>>find
>>negative aspects of almost any faith you choose. You will find people in
>>virtually every denomination who are more narrow minded than you would 
>>like,
>>and you probably will run across discrimination on the basis of your
>>blindness as well. This is a togh decision, and I will be praying for you 
>>as
>>you make.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Norma Crosby
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Yes, RJ. I'm on Facebook under www.facebook.com/tallygirl. Check me out.
>>>Beth
>>>
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