[Faith-talk] something to think about

[Nikki]

    Thanks, Kirt.
I'm sorry you have a headache. I understand what you're saying. Bless you

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kirt Manwaring
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:39 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] something to think about

:)  Fair enough, I guess.  But I think it's important to also know
that God knew the past before it happened.  Heck- all of time would be
visible to him, as an omniscient being.  (or maybe not- there are all
sorts of philosophical ideas about this and I already have a headache,
but it makes sense that all of time would be visible to God)  So,
although we have our free will, God knows exactly what's going to
happen before it does because he is all-seeing and all-knowing...all
of time would be visible to him.  It's Augustine's idea, he based it
on scripture and I'm pretty convinced by it.
  So...even if God can't change the past, he has a design for it and,
if we use our freedom of choice to submit to his will, he'll make all
the bad in the past in to something good.  Heck-he knows if you will
or not already.  I won't go all John Calvin and say it was
predestined- I think it's an entirely personal choice to choose to
follow God, but I think he sees the past, present and future all at
once.  Just my two cents, again.
  God bless,
Kirt

On 4/8/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>     God can't change the past. What's done is done. If it were possible to
> change the past, then traveling through time would exist. That's all I
> meant.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirt Manwaring
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 10:34 AM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] something to think about
>
> I'd say that with God, nothing is impossible.  What to you seems like
> an impossible change is nothing to the omnipotent, all-knowing,
> infinitely merciful and just creator and lord of heaven and earth.  No
> worry is to much for him, no problem too hard to bear for him.
>   Now...from my experience, something really interesting happens when
> you turn something huge over to god- lots of times, the problems don't
> go away!  Sometimes they only seem to get worse- more immense, harder
> to handle.  It's times like that I can't help thinking "is there
> really a God here?"  But then something incredible happens.  I learn
> to cope somehow.  God gives me the means to accept and deal with my
> challenges.  It takes years sometimes- but God's there, behind it all,
> helping you even when it seems like he's just piling more on to your
> load.  Pain is more than punishment- it's a refiners fire, a crucible,
> as it were, to purify us so we grow to better reflect God's image.  He
> wants us, I think, to grow and learn as much as possible- that's why
> we have to suffer so much pain and hardship.
>   Now, an important point with all this.  The only way to fully
> transcend suffering is through Christ.  I'll say that those of other
> faiths who find that full measure of peace- the good Muslims and Jews
> and Hindus and Buddhists of the world, rely on Christ as much as we do
> though they call him by other names.  But that's kind of an aside.  I
> think the only way to totally be happy, at peace, and cleansed from
> your sins is the atonement of Christ.  There is no other way to make
> your suffering mean anything.  So I'd say if we continually put our
> trust in him, and give him more today than we gave yesterday and more
> tomorrow than today, we'll find that our suffering matters and it's
> not all for nothing.
>   Just my two cents,
> Kirt
>
> On 4/8/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> That was a great post.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 4/7/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> How do you live for the here and now
>>>
>>> When the past haunts the present
>>>
>>> Not dwelling
>>>
>>> Impossible changes
>>>
>>> Make it difficult to move forward
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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