[Faith-talk] something to think about

Fri Apr 8 20:11:17 UTC 2011

I believe that Romans, 8:28 applys here.
Blessings, Joshua

On 4/8/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>     Thanks, Kirt.
> I'm sorry you have a headache. I understand what you're saying. Bless you
>
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> From: Kirt Manwaring
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:39 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] something to think about
>
> :)  Fair enough, I guess.  But I think it's important to also know
> that God knew the past before it happened.  Heck- all of time would be
> visible to him, as an omniscient being.  (or maybe not- there are all
> sorts of philosophical ideas about this and I already have a headache,
> but it makes sense that all of time would be visible to God)  So,
> although we have our free will, God knows exactly what's going to
> happen before it does because he is all-seeing and all-knowing...all
> of time would be visible to him.  It's Augustine's idea, he based it
> on scripture and I'm pretty convinced by it.
>   So...even if God can't change the past, he has a design for it and,
> if we use our freedom of choice to submit to his will, he'll make all
> the bad in the past in to something good.  Heck-he knows if you will
> or not already.  I won't go all John Calvin and say it was
> predestined- I think it's an entirely personal choice to choose to
> follow God, but I think he sees the past, present and future all at
> once.  Just my two cents, again.
>   God bless,
> Kirt
>
> On 4/8/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>     God can't change the past. What's done is done. If it were possible to
>> change the past, then traveling through time would exist. That's all I
>> meant.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kirt Manwaring
>> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 10:34 AM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] something to think about
>>
>> I'd say that with God, nothing is impossible.  What to you seems like
>> an impossible change is nothing to the omnipotent, all-knowing,
>> infinitely merciful and just creator and lord of heaven and earth.  No
>> worry is to much for him, no problem too hard to bear for him.
>>   Now...from my experience, something really interesting happens when
>> you turn something huge over to god- lots of times, the problems don't
>> go away!  Sometimes they only seem to get worse- more immense, harder
>> to handle.  It's times like that I can't help thinking "is there
>> really a God here?"  But then something incredible happens.  I learn
>> to cope somehow.  God gives me the means to accept and deal with my
>> challenges.  It takes years sometimes- but God's there, behind it all,
>> helping you even when it seems like he's just piling more on to your
>> load.  Pain is more than punishment- it's a refiners fire, a crucible,
>> as it were, to purify us so we grow to better reflect God's image.  He
>> wants us, I think, to grow and learn as much as possible- that's why
>> we have to suffer so much pain and hardship.
>>   Now, an important point with all this.  The only way to fully
>> transcend suffering is through Christ.  I'll say that those of other
>> faiths who find that full measure of peace- the good Muslims and Jews
>> and Hindus and Buddhists of the world, rely on Christ as much as we do
>> though they call him by other names.  But that's kind of an aside.  I
>> think the only way to totally be happy, at peace, and cleansed from
>> your sins is the atonement of Christ.  There is no other way to make
>> your suffering mean anything.  So I'd say if we continually put our
>> trust in him, and give him more today than we gave yesterday and more
>> tomorrow than today, we'll find that our suffering matters and it's
>> not all for nothing.
>>   Just my two cents,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 4/8/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> That was a great post.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 4/7/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> How do you live for the here and now
>>>>
>>>> When the past haunts the present
>>>>
>>>> Not dwelling
>>>>
>>>> Impossible changes
>>>>
>>>> Make it difficult to move forward
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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