[Faith-talk] non-christians on this list

Amy Ragain belovedconsecrated2god at gmail.com
Fri Apr 29 04:36:14 UTC 2011


amen!

On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Alan Wheeler wrote:

> George,
> You keep saying it is a greater crime to not believe in God than it is to
> not believe in Christ. Yet, Christ Himself says that no one...I repeat and
> emphasize *NO ONE* comes to the father but through Him. Our *ONLY* way to
> God is through Jesus Christ, and Jesus, Himself said it. So, your argument
> isn't with me, it's with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
> 
> I already posted this verse in context, but let me repost it, by itself, to
> give it greater emphasis:
> ¶Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to
> the Father except through me. 
> John 14:6
> 
> So, if no one comes to God except through Jesus Christ, isn't the greater
> sin (I don't call it a crime) to not believe in Jesus?
> 
> Just something to think about.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:25 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
> 
> Alan:
> With all due respect,
> you have to be aware the bible uses complex langauge structures.
> For example: have you ever tried reading Revelations?
> You should, but it is a very complicated book to understand.
> 
> What he means by the Father threw me is simple:
> if you know him, you know the father.
> 
> But… and this is an important point,
> it is a greater crime to not believe in God, then it is to not recognize
> Jesus.
> 
> After all, muslims don't recognize Jesus as the Christ and yet their codes
> of ethics stand amongst one of the strictest, and strongest I've seen.
> 
> There are many muslims I know who would put so-called Christians to shae
> with their devotion to God.
> 
> Are you saying they are bound to hell?
> 
> Not attacking you, just wondering.
> 
> Jorge
> 
> 
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Alan Wheeler wrote:
> 
>> No, it is Christ, Himself, who said He is the only way:
>> John 14
>> 
>> 2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have 
>> told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
>> 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take 
>> you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
>> 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
>> 5 ¶Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don't know where you are going, so 
>> how can we know the way?”
>> 6 ¶Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one 
>> comes to the Father except through me.
>> 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now 
>> on, you do know him and have seen him.”
>> 
>> 
>> Take note, Jesus didn't say "I am *A* way, *A* truth, and *A* life," 
>> but rather said "I am *THE* way, *THE* truth, and *THE* life." Use of 
>> the word "the" in that context denotes singleness or exclusivity. So, 
>> Jesus was, in essence saying he was the only way, the only truth, and the
> only life.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:11 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>> 
>> Christ is who we Christians say is the only way.
>> 
>> I think its a bigger crime not to believe in God, E.G., atheists, then 
>> not to believe in Christ.
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Jeanette wrote:
>> 
>>> the folks who lived before Christ believed in god, they looked 
>>> forward to
>> Christ the Messiah, God reveals himself to those He chooses to reveal 
>> himself to.  but according to the bible Jesus is the only way, this is 
>> my personal belief i think by telling people if they are good they 
>> will go to heaven you are saying there is no need for the sacrafice 
>> Christ made on the cross. if being good is all it takes  then you are 
>> saying there is no need for hell either.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" 
>>> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I say Gandi is in heaven.
>>>> Like I said earlier, anyone who does good, and follows God's 
>>>> commandments
>> though they don't know it obviously, is going to heaven.
>>>> 
>>>> Because, if you think of it,
>>>> would all those who believed in God before Christ go to hell because 
>>>> they
>> did not know him?
>>>> 
>>>> It is now so much knowing him, though for us Christians we must, but 
>>>> for
>> those who have no concept of Christ, to follow God's commandments.
>>>> 
>>>> It is written in the Second Vatican, "for those who don't know 
>>>> Christ,
>> then God shall reveal on to them in ways that only He knows."
>>>> 
>>>> This is perhaps suggesting that despite everything that is said on 
>>>> the
>> outside, even athiests have been shown some light?
>>>> 
>>>> Some compulsion to do good, dispite their outwards denial of God?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I believe you absolutely need Jesus- but I have to reconcile that 
>>>>> belief with the fact that most people throughout history either 
>>>>> never heard of Christ, or had no real idea who he was.  Will 
>>>>> someone like Gandhi, who did an incredible amount of good in this 
>>>>> life, go to hell simply because he didn't accept Jesus as savior 
>>>>> while he was
>> here?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/28/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> any  literature other than the bible is not God inspired there 
>>>>>> fore is not reliable. just my opinion, not criticizing anyone, 
>>>>>> just what i believe, if you do not need Jesus to go to Heaven  
>>>>>> then how to you explain the need for Him to sacrafice  His life for
> our sins?
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jorge Paez" <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kirt:
>>>>>>> I agree with your view,
>>>>>>> my difference being that although all are children of God, only 
>>>>>>> those who do good shall be saved, weather they have a religion or 
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And, quick FYI, apparently I was just reading that this theory 
>>>>>>> has been written by Pope Benedict the 16th, though I can't 
>>>>>>> remember his name prior to this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This was also included in the Second Vatican of the Catholic 
>>>>>>> church, and if anyone's interested in research on this topic by 
>>>>>>> the way, I've found Bookshare to be a surprisingly reliable source.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jorge,
>>>>>>>> My church teaches that all humans are children of God.  
>>>>>>>> Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Bahais, Wiccans, 
>>>>>>>> Atheists, Satanists, murderers, rapists, everyone is literally a 
>>>>>>>> spirit child of god.
>>>>>>>> Also, you might be interested in the idea of "anonimous 
>>>>>>>> christianity."  I'm not going to do it justice, but it was an 
>>>>>>>> idea advanced by a certain catholic theologian (I can't recall 
>>>>>>>> the name) that basically all people living christlike lives have 
>>>>>>>> access to Christ's grace, though they don't know it yet.  As a 
>>>>>>>> Mormon, a central part of my faith is that, some day, either in 
>>>>>>>> this life or the next, all people will have the chance to hear 
>>>>>>>> the gospel of Christ.  Were this not true, God would not be a 
>>>>>>>> fair and just God because, throughout the ages, there have been 
>>>>>>>> billions of people who literally never even heard of Jesus 
>>>>>>>> Christ.  I can't believe in a God who would damn someone merely 
>>>>>>>> because they were never exposed to Christ in mortal life, or 
>>>>>>>> because they chose to live by their original faith instead, 
>>>>>>>> without really understanding what Christ offers.  So, I believe 
>>>>>>>> that heaven will be full of Mormons and Catholics and Muslims 
>>>>>>>> and HIndus and all manner of religions...at least, full of 
>>>>>>>> people who believed all manner of religions while living here on 
>>>>>>>> earth, they will all have accepted Christ as savior and lived 
>>>>>>>> his commandments to the best of their abilities before being 
>>>>>>>> saved, though.  I'm just rambling...but basically I believe 
>>>>>>>> that, just because someone dies without faith in Christ, I don't 
>>>>>>>> believe they
>> are ultimately condemned to hell unless they reject Christ later.
>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts.  I'd welcome discussion or civilized debate.
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 4/28/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello Kirt:
>>>>>>>>> I agree with you completely.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In fact, if you look at the ancient documents and text, you 
>>>>>>>>> will see that Christians started out as one group.
>>>>>>>>> Then for various reasons,
>>>>>>>>> divided,
>>>>>>>>> so in a way, we are both following the original tradition.
>>>>>>>>> But,
>>>>>>>>> that brings me to my point.
>>>>>>>>> What do we, as Christians, consider acceptable behavior for 
>>>>>>>>> "children of God?"
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I understand that our Christianity stems from our belief in 
>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But then  how do we define "children of God?"
>>>>>>>>> Would we consider Muslims as "children of God", despite their 
>>>>>>>>> views on Jesus Christ being different then ours?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Or do we also define "Children Of God" how we define "Christian?"
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Just food for thought.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>>>>>> I feel like I need to respond to this thread.  Please 
>>>>>>>>>> understand I'm not trying to spark controversy, I don't intend 
>>>>>>>>>> to debate anyone here, and I'm not trying to impose my own 
>>>>>>>>>> faith on anyone.  But, with that disclaimer out of the way, I 
>>>>>>>>>> want to answer one point that was made earlier on this thread.
>>>>>>>>>> John, you said some of your LDS (Mormon) friends do not 
>>>>>>>>>> identify themselves as Christian.  I think I understand why, 
>>>>>>>>>> although I whole-heartedly proclaim myself a Christian.  It 
>>>>>>>>>> ultimately boils down to your definition of a Christian.  If 
>>>>>>>>>> the only Christians are those who worship the Trinity as God, 
>>>>>>>>>> and confess the Nycene creed, then I suppose we Mormons aren't 
>>>>>>>>>> Christians.  But, by that definition, you're excluding some of 
>>>>>>>>>> the most Christian people among us.  Consider Joshua Lester, a
>> oneness pentecostal who does not believe in the Trinity.
>>>>>>>>>> Would anyone here, on this list, seriously claim he isn't a
>> Christian?
>>>>>>>>>> His understanding of God as one person is as different from 
>>>>>>>>>> the traditional Trinity as my understanding of God as three 
>>>>>>>>>> separate, distinctive personages who are one in purpose rather 
>>>>>>>>>> than
>> substance.
>>>>>>>>>> Yet I have seen his denomination attacked and criticized in 
>>>>>>>>>> the world for being "unChristian", just as mine has been.
>>>>>>>>>> So this brings me to my next point.  If Christians aren't 
>>>>>>>>>> exclusively Trinitarians, what defines a Christian?  To me, 
>>>>>>>>>> it's obvious. Anyone who accepts Christ as lord and savior and 
>>>>>>>>>> relies exclusively upon him as the only means of salvation is 
>>>>>>>>>> a Christian.  For us as Mormons Jesus is not just a good moral 
>>>>>>>>>> guide for an excelent life.  He isn't just an inspired teacher 
>>>>>>>>>> or prophet- he is a member of the godhead, our redemer and,
>> ultimately, the only true savior for humankind.
>>>>>>>>>> Without Christ we are doomed and lost, we need his atoning 
>>>>>>>>>> sacrifice in our lives both to purify us now and cleanse us 
>>>>>>>>>> for eternity.  In my book, if you agree with that, you're a 
>>>>>>>>>> Christian.  So despite the numerous and significant 
>>>>>>>>>> theological differences between Catholics and Protestants and 
>>>>>>>>>> Mormons and Oneness Pentecostals and Orthadox Christians, we 
>>>>>>>>>> all have that
>> common ground.  Are Mormons Christian?
>>>>>>>>>> Are Oneness pentecostals Christian?  I answer, emphatically,
> "yes!"
>>>>>>>>>> Warmest regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Kirt,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This happens sometimes, and I've known people to be really 
>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed at some of the things they said. However, in this 
>>>>>>>>>>> case there is no need for embarrassment. i felt that the 
>>>>>>>>>>> information I gave in my reply would be good for the whole 
>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Blessed Easter,
>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 01:44:57PM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> o> Woops...I sent a message thinking it would go just to 
>>>>>>>>>>> o> John, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>> went to the whole list.  My sincere appologies.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirt:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do believe you are right in the divisions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I myself am a Catholic, but have taken the time to study 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 other major religions of the world (Judaism and Islam), 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we're currently studying the reformation in school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to my understanding, the majesterium mandated at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that time that all bibles bee in Latin, therefore making it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible for the "common people" to read, while the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants (please correct me if I'm wrong) were the first 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to start reading the bible in common languages, believing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the bible should be read and understood by each and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> every believer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never replied to your message earlier.  Thanks for your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers about the Majesterium and Tradition.  So, if I'm 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding right, it is your belief that the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majesterium/teaching arm of the Roman Catholic church is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply clarifying the revelation already given.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other words, Jesus was and the Bible was the complete 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revelation of God.  If I'm understanding right, the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biggest disagreement between Catholics and Protestants is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a matter of interpretation of the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For you, am I right in saying the interpretation provided 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by tradition/majesterium is authoritativ and the only 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "correct" way to look at scripture, while in Protestant 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity it is more open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reader's own interpretation?  I know that's a huge 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generalization, but would you say I'm right there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyways...I'm also curious about another statement you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made. You said something to the effect of believing Joseph 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smith's vissions were genuine, but not valid.  So...for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, as a Catholic, do you think he was misguided?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partially inspired but ultimately mistaken in taking it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too far?  Inspired by the devil?  I won't get offended, I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want your honest opinion and I'm not going to take it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, religious dialogue is definitely important...I'd say 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escential.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think there's much to learn from all religions, and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally I'm convinced God has inspired them all.  That 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't mean I believe with everything every faith claims, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I see the hand of God throughout the religious world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have one other question for you.  Are you familiar with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the idea of anonimous Christianity?  If so, what are your
>> thoughts on it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God bless,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/21/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm definitely Christian, but I'm all for interrelitious
>> dialog.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact, I think that is part of my particular work of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evangelization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you go to my website, http://www.godtouches.org you will 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that it's motto is "peace, love, service". I think 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that my work of evangelization is to spread these 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attitudes of Christ even in the secular world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 09:25:24PM -0600, Kirt Manwaring
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I very much enjoy all the devotionals and prayer 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requests and discussions on here.  I'm pretty sure it's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the few worthwhile distractions in life.  But I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am curious, and I definitely don't mean to offend, if 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are any non-christian regular readers of this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist?  I don't mean to procelyte, and I don't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want this thread to turn into an overblown theological 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debate, but I'm very interested in talking with and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learning from people from other faiths. If that's you, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you wouldn't mind talking, would you please email me 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off-list?  I won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> procelyte- I won't try to baptize you or anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want a friendly dialogue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God bless,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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