[Faith-talk] After we die WAS RE: this week's reflection -whatis the right way?-understanding others
Alan Wheeler
awheeler65 at windstream.net
Sat Apr 30 18:50:49 UTC 2011
Um, have you not read Christ's parable of the sheep and the goats? So, no,
not everyone is good, and not everyone will get into the kingdom of Heaven.
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] After we die WAS RE: this week's reflection
-whatis the right way?-understanding others
Oh ye who don't look at your bibles.
Those of you who claim to be Christians, to love like Christians yet create
nothing but hatred amongst your brethren and are blind to the true message
of God.
You are hypocrites,
members of the generation before Christ, and have not in full gotten his
message.
Have you no heart then to understand that Christ's message was to accept all
as equal?
Have you not understood yet that God will not be limited by what you think
is right?
For if it was only to accept Jesus Christ and that was it, would not so many
have been damned a long time ago?
God does not damn anyone unless they do evil, and if they do not commit
evil, even if not aware of the gospel they shall hence be considered from
the good shall they not?
And if they are considered from the good, are they not children of God?
Do you not remember Genesis?
And all God created was good.
As long as you don't turn away from his light, that is all that matters.
Because a torch for you may be bright enough, but someone else may require a
lantern,
for he is all powerful and all knowing,
why would he purposefully create a trap to damn over 1 billion people of the
Muslim and Jewish faiths?
On Apr 30, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Amy Ragain wrote:
> no! I most cirtently do not worship the same God as the Muslams!!
> Jesus is the 1 true God who created the world the universe and everything
in it! Allal is the Moon god! a false god!
> Christians and Musles don't even believe the same things bout Jesus! we
believe He is God! they believe He was a proffet or simply a good persoon
but no more or less than many of us ordanary humans!! not the same!!!
> we believe He is the savior of the world who is coming again to take his
bride, the true believing christian church, to rule and raine with him....
> Musels believe Jesus will come and renonce christianity and turn everybody
to the true faith, Islem!!!
> christians should help and support the Jewish ppl and Muselms hate the
jews!!!
> no our God is nothing like theirs!!! not even close!!
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>
>> We worship the same God do we not?
>>
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Jeanette wrote:
>>
>>> i do not agree that we are muslims, we are Christians, not muslims,
>>> we worship the one true god, they worship a false god as i
>>> understand it, not trying to offend anyone, just the truth as i
>>> understand it
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirt Manwaring"
>>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 8:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] After we die WAS RE: this week's
>>> reflection - whatis the right way?-understanding others
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear list,
>>>> I promise, this'll be the last post from me for a while. I think I
>>>> got too emotional here and I need to take a step back for a few
>>>> days...so I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I don't take back
>>>> anything I said but I do wish I was less confrontational and more
>>>> open to sincere conversation.
>>>> Joshua- you're exactly right about Christianity being a
>>>> relationship with Christ, but consider this. Sincere Islam isn't a
>>>> religion- it's a submission to God's will. Although I personally
>>>> don't agree with all the teachings of the Quran or everything said
>>>> by the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), in that way me and you
>>>> both are Muslims because we're submitting to the will of God as we
understand it.
>>>> Sikhism, one of the largest world religions from India, isn't a
>>>> religion by the logic you're using because the word "sikh" means
>>>> "disciple." While I do not adhear to all the Sikh teachings- I
>>>> certainly try to be the best Disciple of God I can. In that way we
>>>> are both Sikhs. Janism, another smaller faith tradition from
>>>> India, is not a religion because "jain" means "victor"- the way of
>>>> life for the sincere Jain is to become a victor over the vices of
>>>> the material world. Although we both certainly are not Jains, we
>>>> are in a way because, through Jesus, we gain a victory over death and
hell.
>>>> So...you're spot on about Christianity not being just a religion.
>>>> But the same applies to virtually every divinely-inspired faith
>>>> tradition out there- and, if you study any real serious religion in
>>>> the world, I guarantee it won't take long to find inspiration from
>>>> God. That doesn't mean everything taught by any church is
>>>> right...but it does mean I believe with all my heart and soul God
>>>> has a hand in all sincere religion throughout the world. Read the
>>>> Quran, read the Bhagivad Gita (and make sure you learn to spell it
>>>> better than I can), read the Analects of Confucius, read the Dao de
>>>> Jing, read the Tripitika of the Buddhists (again, spelling), read
>>>> the Guru Granth Sahib of the Sikhs- read the Bahai book of
>>>> laws...and you'd have to be spiritually blind not to see the
inspiration of God.
>>>> Just my thoughts and God bless,
>>>> Kirt
>>>>
>>>> On 4/29/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Nikki, I'm glad you've posted this on the list.
>>>>> Christianity isn't a religion, anyway.
>>>>> It's a relationship with Jesus Christ.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/29/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Ok. I can't keep quiet anymore.
>>>>>> It doesn't matter what "religion," I despise the term, or Bible
version.
>>>>>> The truth is God's interpretation.
>>>>>> It's not anyone's place to judge except for God's.
>>>>>> In my opinion, debating God is a sin.
>>>>>> I did not mean to crush anyone's beliefs or start anything.
>>>>>> Just speaking my mind like everyone else.
>>>>>> God bless you all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Jorge Paez
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 7:26 PM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] After we die WAS RE: this week's
>>>>>> reflection - whatis the right way?-understanding others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Joshua for the reference.
>>>>>> I indeed have a copy of the King James version.
>>>>>> I will study it this weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Constantine, and the Council of Nicea invented the term, "trinity."
>>>>>>> It isn't found in scripture.
>>>>>>> Catholics use a total diferent book.
>>>>>>> We use the King James Bible.
>>>>>>> No wonder!
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/29/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Very interesting point Joshua.
>>>>>>>> Will certainly study that.
>>>>>>>> And, 325 AD is actually interesting, because it was after the
>>>>>>>> First Vatican--in other words, after the Catholic church
>>>>>>>> stablished the magestirium and declaired its official
>>>>>>>> traditions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on the Holy
>>>>>>>> Trinity, but I respect your point.
>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jorge, we are all creations of God, not children of God.
>>>>>>>>> Jesus said, that when we're in sin, we are Satan's children.
>>>>>>>>> When we come into Christ, we become God's children.
>>>>>>>>> Those that do not come into Christ, are not God's children.
>>>>>>>>> That's Bible.
>>>>>>>>> How do we come into Christ?
>>>>>>>>> First of all, who is Jesus.
>>>>>>>>> Some teach that he's the second person in the Godhead, and
>>>>>>>>> some teach that he's God, all by himself.
>>>>>>>>> Well, you need to understand, that there are not 3 persons in
>>>>>>>>> the Godhead.
>>>>>>>>> This will ruffle a few feathers on this list, but that's the
truth.
>>>>>>>>> John 4:24 says, that God is a spirit, (not a person.) They
>>>>>>>>> that worship God must worship him, in spirit and in truth.
>>>>>>>>> The Holy Spirit is a spirit, (not a person.) Persons have
>>>>>>>>> flesh and blood, spirits don't.
>>>>>>>>> The only one that became flesh was the son.
>>>>>>>>> How?
>>>>>>>>> 1 Timothy, 3:16 tells us that God was made manifest in the flesh.
>>>>>>>>> God, (spirit,) manifested in the flesh, (son.) The flesh
>>>>>>>>> revealed God's name, (Jesus.) Colossians, 1:19 "and it pleased
>>>>>>>>> the Father, that in him should all fullness dwell."
>>>>>>>>> Colossians, 2:9. "And in him, (Jesus,) dwelleth all the
>>>>>>>>> fullness of the Godhead bodily."
>>>>>>>>> Jesus was the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and
>>>>>>>>> now, he's the Holy Ghost in regeneration.
>>>>>>>>> Matthew 28:19 says for us to baptize in the name of the
>>>>>>>>> Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
>>>>>>>>> Notice the word is "name," (not "names.") I've just
>>>>>>>>> established that the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost,
>>>>>>>>> was Jesus.
>>>>>>>>> That's why we baptize in Jesus's name, (Acts, 2:38.) Everyone
>>>>>>>>> was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, the Lord Jesus, the
>>>>>>>>> Lord," never, "Father Son and Holy Ghost."
>>>>>>>>> That didn't start, until 325 A.D.
>>>>>>>>> Read Acts, 2:38, Acts, 8:16, Acts, 10, Acts, 19:1/6.
>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/11, Alan Wheeler <awheeler65 at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jeanette and everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> Let me share a couple of sections from the set of fundamental
>>>>>>>>>> beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church, which I am going
>>>>>>>>>> to be joinging soon.
>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>> clearly, using only the bible, explains what happens after we
>>>>>>>>>> die, and how humanity is judged. I know it's a lot of
>>>>>>>>>> scripture to look at, but if you all look, you'll see the
>>>>>>>>>> truth of it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 26. Death and Resurrection:
>>>>>>>>>> The wages of sin is death. But God, who alone is immortal,
>>>>>>>>>> will grant eternal life to His redeemed. Until that day death
>>>>>>>>>> is an unconscious state for all people. When Christ, who is
>>>>>>>>>> our life, appears, the resurrected righteous and the living
>>>>>>>>>> righteous will be glorified and caught up to meet their Lord.
>>>>>>>>>> The second resurrection, the resurrection of the unrighteous,
>>>>>>>>>> will take place a thousand years later. (Rom. 6:23; 1 Tim.
>>>>>>>>>> 6:15, 16; Eccl.
>>>>>>>>>> 9:5, 6; Ps. 146:3, 4; John 11:11-14; Col. 3:4; 1 Cor.
>>>>>>>>>> 15:51-54; 1 Thess.
>>>>>>>>>> 4:13-17; John 5:28, 29; Rev. 20:1-10.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 27. Millennium and the End of Sin:
>>>>>>>>>> The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His
>>>>>>>>>> saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections.
>>>>>>>>>> During this time the wicked dead will be judged; the earth
>>>>>>>>>> will be utterly desolate, without living human inhabitants,
>>>>>>>>>> but occupied by Satan and his angels. At its close Christ
>>>>>>>>>> with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to
>>>>>>>>>> earth.
>>>>>>>>>> The unrighteous dead will then be resurrected, and with Satan
>>>>>>>>>> and his angels will surround the city; but fire from God will
>>>>>>>>>> consume them and cleanse the earth. The universe will thus be
>>>>>>>>>> freed of sin and sinners forever.
>>>>>>>>>> (Rev.
>>>>>>>>>> 20;
>>>>>>>>>> 1 Cor. 6:2, 3; Jer. 4:23-26; Rev. 21:1-5; Mal. 4:1; Eze.
>>>>>>>>>> 28:18, 19.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jeanette
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:22 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] this week's reflection - what is
>>>>>>>>>> the right way?-understanding others
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> everyone seems to want to talk about God's love but not about
>>>>>>>>>> God's wrath against sin, it seems that it is all about us and
>>>>>>>>>> not about a loving god who gives us a choice to choose His
>>>>>>>>>> ways or not to, everything in life has consequences so what
>>>>>>>>>> you are saying is there are no consequences to choosing a
>>>>>>>>>> different way here on earth and if you don't like the after
>>>>>>>>>> life you get you can change your mind, don't see that in the
>>>>>>>>>> bible.
>>>>>>>>>> as to whether folks are a child of God i kind of think it has
>>>>>>>>>> to do with what your definition of child of God is, if you
>>>>>>>>>> mean since God created us all then we are all his children, i
>>>>>>>>>> suppose that is true.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jorge Paez" <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] this week's reflection - what is
>>>>>>>>>> the right way?
>>>>>>>>>> -understanding others
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joshua:
>>>>>>>>>> are you suggesting that those who do not believe in Jesus
>>>>>>>>>> Christ are therefore not children of God?
>>>>>>>>>> Is this not hypocritical?
>>>>>>>>>> Does it not go against the image of the loving God Christians
>>>>>>>>>> like to portray?
>>>>>>>>>> For love is for all,
>>>>>>>>>> love for some is not true love.
>>>>>>>>>> Is that right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jorge, this is the same "new thought," "seeker sensitive,"
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff, we see in today's churches.
>>>>>>>>>>> The Jews didn't accept Jesus, but the Bible is clear, that
>>>>>>>>>>> every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess, that Jesus
Christ is Lord.
>>>>>>>>>>> There's only one way to Heaven, and that's through Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>> There's no way around it.
>>>>>>>>>>> The other religions aren't correct.
>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and no man cometh
>>>>>>>>>>> to the Father, but by him.
>>>>>>>>>>> That's what Jesus said.
>>>>>>>>>>> He wasn't sent to Christians, because there weren't any
>>>>>>>>>>> Christians, until Antioch.
>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible says, that they were called Christians first, at
Antioch.
>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus was sent to the world, those who accept him are
Christians.
>>>>>>>>>>> What constitutes a true Christian?
>>>>>>>>>>> Acts, 2:38 tells us where to begin our Christian walk.
>>>>>>>>>>> "then Peter said unto them,
>>>>>>>>>>> "Repent, and be baptized, everyone of you, in the name of
>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins, and ye shall
>>>>>>>>>>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
>>>>>>>>>>> There are 3 steps to salvation, according to Peter.
>>>>>>>>>>> #1. Repentence, #2. Baptism in Jesus's name, and #3.
>>>>>>>>>>> Receiving the Holy Ghost, with the initial sign of speaking
>>>>>>>>>>> in other tongues, as the Spirit gives utterance, (see Acts,
>>>>>>>>>>> 2:4.) If you're going to call yourself a Christian, you need
>>>>>>>>>>> to start with the way the Apostles did.
>>>>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no clear answer on what the "right" way is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course for us Christians it is knowing Jesus, but the
>>>>>>>>>>>> other religions have different perspectives.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Take this theologians line:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Muhammad was sent to the Muslims, as Jesus was sent to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christians, as Moses was sent to the jews."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What does this tell you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if you realize the fact that the jews never accepted
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus as Christus (greek for Christ), but just as one more
>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher, so to speak, and that their main holiday to
>>>>>>>>>>>> celebrate the glory of God is passover, in which God leads
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Jewish nation out of Israel, and the fact that we
>>>>>>>>>>>> celebrate our revelation from God, Easter, on the very
>>>>>>>>>>>> week, it shows you that the right way isn't set in stone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because our 2 religions have 2 completely different
>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations, one from Moses and one from Jesus, both who
>>>>>>>>>>>> were messengers of God (and for Christians, Jesus is part
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the holy trinity, which is God) In effect, both
>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations were made by God on to us in different eras and in
different forms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now add to that one more layer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the gospel, Jesus says something very interesting after
>>>>>>>>>>>> the first revelation of his passion to the 12 disciples.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When Peter asks, "Master, why do the scribes say that Elisha
must come first?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus replied "I assure you Elisha will come." then says
>>>>>>>>>>>> ".but surely Elisha has already come, and man has done on
>>>>>>>>>>>> to him what they will."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That part caught my attention. If you know your old
>>>>>>>>>>>> testament, you know that Elisha, as known by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christians, has already come. His book is written years before
the new testament even begins.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But. where and when and who is the Elisha that Jesus says will
come?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe the answer is, and I hope that you take this with
>>>>>>>>>>>> a theological point and not with bias, but I think it was a
>>>>>>>>>>>> reference to the Muslim prophet Mohammed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this not "unChristian?" you ask.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My answer is this,
>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the ultimate creator, and the ultimate power, all
>>>>>>>>>>>> religions agree on this do they not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some may ask why Mohammed never appeared in the bible, or
>>>>>>>>>>>> any of the later religious figures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Simple answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>> For each his own messenger was sent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Signs in times of trouble.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First came Moses, in the old testament. His people were
>>>>>>>>>>>> inslaved in Egypt at the time. If you remember the old
>>>>>>>>>>>> testament well, due to the writings of the time, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hebrews are called "God's people" in the text. Without
>>>>>>>>>>>> diving into too much detail, Moses saved the people of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel, and led them not only out of Egypt, but set
>>>>>>>>>>>> standards for them in a life in Israel, in accordance with the
will of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then came Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus appeared in a time where Israel was controlled by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Romans, and the religious leaders at the time were many
>>>>>>>>>>>> times corrupt and power hungry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that his teachings brought on huge crowds, but soon
>>>>>>>>>>>> after, and at the birth of Christianity, the jews that had
>>>>>>>>>>>> followed Jesus split into 2 groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Those who called themselves Christians, and those who stuck
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the original Torah.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice now the appearance of Mohammed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He, too, like Jesus, was born to a family of humble
>>>>>>>>>>>> station. They were merchants. Soon he became well known for his
honest business.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When he turned 40, he had his first vision, threw the angel
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jabril, known in English as Gabriel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He too, preached in a time when there was a lack of morals
>>>>>>>>>>>> and values.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unlike Jesus, who preached to the Jews, who had been given
>>>>>>>>>>>> previous commandments, the people of Mecca at the time were
polytheists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And now consider my last example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Buddha.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This prince, born in one of the royal families of India,
>>>>>>>>>>>> renounced all wealth, and lived in poverty before finding
>>>>>>>>>>>> the middle path threw meditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He too, stressed the same exact code of behavior as Jesus,
>>>>>>>>>>>> as did Moses, as did Mohammed (peace be upon them all) but
>>>>>>>>>>>> in different language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe the right way is not a single religion, or a
>>>>>>>>>>>> sect, it is a way of life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do kindness, be generous, and humble, despite
>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever greatness you might reach, then you are, though
>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps unknown to you, obeying the same code that almost
>>>>>>>>>>>> all religious figures have taught threw out the years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And now if I say that the right way is one, why different
religions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Simply a matter of understanding and language.
>>>>>>>>>>>> My statement as far as that goes will be this:
>>>>>>>>>>>> pick the faith not that your parents had, but that YOU have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That means,
>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't matter what faith your parents had, but as long
>>>>>>>>>>>> as it is something in which you are strong in faith, that
>>>>>>>>>>>> is your true religion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading, and remember no one else is better then
oneself.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Converting others to your religion is simply changing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> language of a message that is already there--but I believe
>>>>>>>>>>>> you should convert, as long as you don't defame the name of
>>>>>>>>>>>> God, or any of his messengers, no matter what their name
>>>>>>>>>>>> may be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jorge
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