[Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
qubit
lauraeaves at yahoo.com
Sat Apr 30 23:27:54 UTC 2011
Well, there is the saying "you know them by their fruits". And there are
certainly a lot of murders done in the name of Islam.
However there are also peaceful passages in the Quran, and many muslims find
it to be a thing of beauty.
But something is going wrong somewhere. Maybe it's the water in the middle
east...*j/k*
One thing is true: when scripture and politics mix, you're in for a
disaster.
But that is true with any religion.
Islam seems particularly susceptible, though.
The whole Sharia law thing is scary.
It's interesting that according to my brother, who has read the Quran and
other muslim writings, there is a passage somewhere in which Muhammad makes
the comment that "if you had seen the things I have seen, you would cry."
referring to some of his visions. Perhaps if he indeed did have prophetic
visions, he would have seen some of the insanity of some of his followers.
There is one thing I believe -- Christians should read 1 Corinthians 13 (the
charity chapter) before doing battle with other religions -- I mean, if the
purpose is to save, then part of winning people's hearts is to take care not
to judge them harshly.
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith
and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
Wow!
Amy and I have been using the same sources.
Ms. Linda has also shown us a good book, written by the son of a Hamas,
leader.
They are saying the same thing.
Blessings, Joshua
On 4/30/11, qubit <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Amy -- I am verry sorry -- I was not speaking to you, but to Joshua, whose
> mail you were replying to with your short reply.
>
> I should have hunted around for Joshua's mail to reply directly, but the
> messages were arriving in my inbox out of order.
>
> Again, I did not mean to point the finger at you.
> I hope you'll forgive my slip-up.
> If it happens again I will certainly make it obvious in my mail whom I am
> responding to.
> Peace and blessings.
> --le
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amy Ragain
> To: qubit ; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 4:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
> here is a few resources from where I have gathered my info and beliefs!
> please check them out before dismissing them...
> they are both by Pastor Myles Holmes
> pastor of Collinsville Assimboly of God, Collinsville IL...I think their
> website is collinsvilleAG.org but am not sure...heres the links:
>
>
> Jesus Was Just a Good Man
>
>
> the truth bout Islam. "Islam, A Religion of Piece" http://bit.ly/dSlGvq
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2011, at 1:36 PM, qubit wrote:
>
>
> I am tired of the hostility toward a world religion by people who
> haven't
> done their homework.
> Islam may well be in error, but making claims that aren't
> substantiated
> only
> makes you look wrong as well.
> Of course, I don't know what your beliefs are either.
> But I have looked up enough material to know that some of the
> statements
> you
> make are wrong.
> So perhaps you should update your references to get more accurate
> information.
> --le
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amy Ragain" <belovedconsecrated2god at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
> amen!!
>
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>
> Jews and Muslems have been at war with each other, since the
> beginning.
>
> The Jews' God was Yahweh, and the Muslems worship Ala.
>
> Yahweh is the God of Isaac, (the Jews claim Isaac to be the father
> of
>
> the Jewish race.)
>
> Ishmael, (Isaac's half-brother,) is considered the father of the
>
> Arabic race, (Muslems.)
>
> They worship two separate gods.
>
> Yahweh, (to us,) is Jesus, because Jesus calls himself Yahweh, in
>
> John, 5, where he said, "Before Abraham was, I am."
>
> Yahweh semply means, I am.
>
> Ala is a named derived from the name of the moon god, worshiped by
>
> people in Muhammad's day.
>
> We, (Christians and Muslems,) do not both worship the same god.
>
> Christianity came out of Judaism, but Islam is its own separate
> religion.
>
> It's no secret, that Muslems hate Jews.
>
> In Arab countries, they teach the children to chant, "Arabs are
>
> beloved, Jews are dogs."
>
> They've fought, and fought.
>
> They will continue to fight, until Jesus comes again.
>
> I'm on the side of Israel, and I always will be.
>
> I know, that some Muslems are peaceful, but I'm refering to the
>
> popular Islam, that's talked about on the news.
>
> Blessings, Joshua
>
>
>
> On 4/29/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well I'm not muslim so I won't defend them,
>
> but from what I understand he's the same name for our God.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Jeanette wrote:
>
>
>
> the old testament tells us ther is only one true God, as i
> understand it
>
> ala is not the one true god, he is a different god, sorry but
> that
> is
>
> what
>
> i understand.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
>
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>
> To: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk,for the
> discussion
> of
>
> faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 4:31 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
>
>
>
> Very interesting.
>
> Despite my firm belief in Jesus Christ, and the Catholic faith,
> I
> have
>
> also talked to Muslim friends of mine and we agree on many
> things.
>
>
>
> Interestingly enough, Islam itself is a word that means,
> submission to
>
> Allah (God), so it makes sense that Jesus was considered a good
> Muslim
>
> however, according to what I've read,
>
> there is no mention of Jesus after his birth in the Quran.
>
> Please let me know if you can tell me the versus in which his
> life
> and
>
> passion are referenced.
>
>
>
> I am a firm believer in Christianity but like to research other
>
> religions
>
> as I believe this simply makes my understanding overall of other
>
> people's
>
> religions and customs much better and thereby strengthens me as
> a
>
> believer.
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:32 PM, qubit wrote:
>
>
>
> Greetings again --
>
> This list has been active lately...
>
>
>
> I am not muslim, as defined by any of the branches of Islam,
> but
> I have
>
> a
>
> brother who has read considerably the muslim writings
> including
> several
>
> translations of the Quran, and I also have read a little in
> the
> Quran
>
> out
>
> of
>
> curiosity.
>
> I have read only through Surah 2, but it is true there are
> many
> good
>
> and
>
> peaceful teachings in this part of the Quran. However, like
> the
>
> Bible,
>
> there are also harsh parts of the Quran that lead many to
> justify
>
> violent
>
> behavior such as is in the news. This however, is also true
> of
> the
>
> Bible
>
> --
>
> there are parts of the Bible that can be twisted to justify a
> lot of
>
> unchristian behaviors. (I'm not equating the Bible and the
> Quran --
>
> they
>
> are very different.)
>
> Your statement that muslims don't believe Jesus is Christ
> actually is
>
> false.
>
> According to my brother, the Quran calls Jesus the Messiah,
> and
> in fact
>
> includes an interesting telling of Mary and the virgin
> conception of
>
> Jesus,
>
> plus a discussion of his life and crucifixion. I'm afraid i
> don't know
>
> what
>
> it says about the resurrection, but according to my brother,
> the
> Quran
>
> refers to Jesus and his disciples as true muslims, because of
> their
>
> willingness to submit to God (Allah).
>
> My brother even compares the English translations to the
> original
>
> Arabic,
>
> and has discovers some interesting information -- such as the
> word
>
> usually
>
> translated as "Christians" in the English translations of the
> Quran, is
>
> actually the name of a group of Arabs in Muhammad's time who
> had
> a
>
> belief
>
> about Christianity that Muhammad disagreed with. It has
> nothing
> to do
>
> with
>
> modern Christians, or even the Christians that fought in the
> crusades,
>
> which
>
> was centuries after Muhammad's time.
>
>
>
> Anyway, my brother also discovered inconsistencies in the
> various
>
> English
>
> translations of the Quran -- one English version clashed in
> meaning
>
> with
>
> the
>
> others.
>
> He also claims that if you look at the original Arabic, the
> verses in
>
> question agree with verses of the New Testament that discuss
> the
>
> mission
>
> of
>
> Jesus and related things. However, what he has found is that
> Christian
>
> and
>
> Muslim scholars believe the Bible and Quran clash, and when he
> tries to
>
> point out the verses in question, he is met with mixed
> reactions. The
>
> Christians he talks to find his discovery interesting, while
> the
>
> muslims
>
> almost always get hot under the collar. He has even been
> escorted out
>
> of
>
> places and asked not to come back...
>
>
>
> One verse in the Quran I found a little incredulous was Sura
> 2:256
>
> "There is no compulsion in religion..."
>
> I guess it surprised me.
>
>
>
> Sorry for the rambling.
>
> Funny thing: even with all the negative reaction my brother
> gets
> from
>
> most
>
> muslims who listen to him, he was told by one man that he
> thought my
>
> brother
>
> was a true muslim. My brother took it as a compliment.
>
>
>
> I do want to say one thing more:
>
> i agree that there is some truth in all world religions, but
> that
>
> doesn't
>
> mean all of their writings are correct or agree.
>
> I don't think you can put 2 religions -- like Christianity and
> Buddhism
>
> --
>
> side by side and find they are really the same.
>
> An example -- I once read the book "The Power of Myth", which
> tried to
>
> tie
>
> all the world's myths and religious beliefs together by
> looking
> for
>
> similarities. I also saw the author interviewed on PBS. It
> sounded
>
> interested, until I got to the part where Buddhism and
> Christianity
>
> were
>
> discussed. The author actually tried to equate the missions
> of
> Buddha
>
> and
>
> Jesus.
>
> I knew a lot about Christianity, and not so much about
> Buddhism,
> but
>
> the
>
> discussion didn't feel right. I read a little more about
> Buddha
> and my
>
> conclusion were that while Jesus and Buddha were compassionate
>
> spiritual
>
> leaders, their missions were quite different. I also didn't
> feel like
>
> it
>
> was appropriate to call Jesus a myth. The author also
> misrepresented
>
> or
>
> took liberties with the story told in scripture, which I felt
> he
>
> couldn't
>
> do. I also felt that if he couldn't get Christianity right,
> which I did
>
> have
>
> a knowledge about, how could I trust what he had to say about
> the other
>
> religions? I would rather research themby talking to persons
> who live
>
> them.
>
>
>
> Anyway, have a nice evening.
>
> --le
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
>
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:25 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
>
>
>
> Alan:
>
> With all due respect,
>
> you have to be aware the bible uses complex langauge
> structures.
>
> For example: have you ever tried reading Revelations?
>
> You should, but it is a very complicated book to understand.
>
>
>
> What he means by the Father threw me is simple:
>
> if you know him, you know the father.
>
>
>
> But… and this is an important point,
>
> it is a greater crime to not believe in God, then it is to not
>
> recognize
>
> Jesus.
>
>
>
> After all, muslims don't recognize Jesus as the Christ and yet
> their
>
> codes
>
> of ethics stand amongst one of the strictest, and strongest
> I've
> seen.
>
>
>
> There are many muslims I know who would put so-called
> Christians
> to
>
> shae
>
> with their devotion to God.
>
>
>
> Are you saying they are bound to hell?
>
>
>
> Not attacking you, just wondering.
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Alan Wheeler wrote:
>
>
>
> No, it is Christ, Himself, who said He is the only way:
>
> John 14
>
>
>
> 2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I
> would have
>
> told
>
> you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
>
> 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back
> and take
>
> you
>
> to
>
> be with me that you also may be where I am.
>
> 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
>
> 5 ¶Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don't know where you are
> going, so
>
> how
>
> can
>
> we know the way?”
>
> 6 ¶Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life.
> No one
>
> comes
>
> to
>
> the Father except through me.
>
> 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well.
> From now
>
> on,
>
> you
>
> do know him and have seen him.”
>
>
>
>
>
> Take note, Jesus didn't say "I am *A* way, *A* truth, and
> *A*
> life,"
>
> but
>
> rather said "I am *THE* way, *THE* truth, and *THE* life."
> Use
> of the
>
> word
>
> "the" in that context denotes singleness or exclusivity. So,
> Jesus
>
> was,
>
> in
>
> essence saying he was the only way, the only truth, and the
> only life.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>
> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>
> On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:11 PM
>
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
>
> Christ is who we Christians say is the only way.
>
>
>
> I think its a bigger crime not to believe in God, E.G.,
> atheists, then
>
> not
>
> to believe in Christ.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Jeanette wrote:
>
>
>
> the folks who lived before Christ believed in god, they
> looked
>
> forward
>
> to
>
> Christ the Messiah, God reveals himself to those He chooses
> to
> reveal
>
> himself to. but according to the bible Jesus is the only
> way,
> this is
>
> my
>
> personal belief i think by telling people if they are good
> they will
>
> go
>
> to
>
> heaven you are saying there is no need for the sacrafice
> Christ made
>
> on
>
> the
>
> cross. if being good is all it takes then you are saying
> there is no
>
> need
>
> for hell either.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
>
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:28 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
>
>
>
> I say Gandi is in heaven.
>
> Like I said earlier, anyone who does good, and follows
> God's
>
> commandments
>
> though they don't know it obviously, is going to heaven.
>
>
>
> Because, if you think of it,
>
> would all those who believed in God before Christ go to
> hell because
>
> they
>
> did not know him?
>
>
>
> It is now so much knowing him, though for us Christians
> we
> must, but
>
> for
>
> those who have no concept of Christ, to follow God's
> commandments.
>
>
>
> It is written in the Second Vatican, "for those who
> don't
> know
>
> Christ,
>
> then God shall reveal on to them in ways that only He
> knows."
>
>
>
> This is perhaps suggesting that despite everything that
> is
> said on
>
> the
>
> outside, even athiests have been shown some light?
>
>
>
> Some compulsion to do good, dispite their outwards
> denial
> of God?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>
>
>
> I believe you absolutely need Jesus- but I have to
> reconcile that
>
> belief with the fact that most people throughout
> history
> either
>
> never heard of Christ, or had no real idea who he was.
> Will
>
> someone
>
> like Gandhi, who did an incredible amount of good in
> this life, go
>
> to hell simply because he didn't accept Jesus as
> savior
> while he
>
> was
>
> here?
>
>
>
> On 4/28/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> any literature other than the bible is not God
> inspired there
>
> fore is not reliable. just my opinion, not
> criticizing
> anyone,
>
> just
>
> what i believe, if you do not need Jesus to go to
> Heaven then how
>
> to you explain the need for Him to sacrafice His
> life
> for our
>
> sins?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Jorge Paez" <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
> religion"
>
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:14 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this
> list
>
>
>
>
>
> Kirt:
>
> I agree with your view,
>
> my difference being that although all are children
> of God, only
>
> those who do good shall be saved, weather they
> have
> a religion or
>
> not.
>
>
>
> And, quick FYI, apparently I was just reading that
> this theory
>
> has
>
> been written by Pope Benedict the 16th, though I
> can't remember
>
> his name prior to this.
>
>
>
> This was also included in the Second Vatican of
> the
> Catholic
>
> church, and if anyone's interested in research on
> this topic by
>
> the way, I've found Bookshare to be a surprisingly
> reliable
>
> source.
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>
>
>
> Jorge,
>
> My church teaches that all humans are children
> of
> God.
>
> Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus,
> Bahais, Wiccans,
>
> Atheists, Satanists, murderers, rapists,
> everyone
> is literally a
>
> spirit child of god.
>
> Also, you might be interested in the idea of
> "anonimous
>
> christianity." I'm not going to do it justice,
> but it was an
>
> idea advanced by a certain catholic theologian
> (I
> can't recall
>
> the name) that basically all people living
> christlike lives have
>
> access to Christ's grace, though they don't know
> it yet. As a
>
> Mormon, a central part of my faith is that, some
> day, either in
>
> this life or the next, all people will have the
> chance to hear
>
> the gospel of Christ. Were this not true, God
> would not be a
>
> fair and just God because, throughout the ages,
> there have been
>
> billions of people who literally never even
> heard
> of Jesus
>
> Christ. I can't believe in a God who would damn
> someone merely
>
> because they were never exposed to Christ in
> mortal life, or
>
> because they chose to live by their original
> faith
> instead,
>
> without really understanding what Christ offers.
> So, I believe
>
> that heaven will be full of Mormons and
> Catholics
> and Muslims
>
> and
>
> HIndus and all manner of religions...at least,
> full of people
>
> who
>
> believed all manner of religions while living
> here
> on earth,
>
> they
>
> will all have accepted Christ as savior and
> lived
> his
>
> commandments to the best of their abilities
> before
> being saved,
>
> though. I'm just rambling...but basically I
> believe that, just
>
> because someone dies without faith in Christ, I
> don't believe
>
> they
>
> are ultimately condemned to hell unless they reject Christ
> later.
>
> Just my thoughts. I'd welcome discussion or
> civilized debate.
>
> Best,
>
> Kirt
>
>
>
> On 4/28/11, Jorge Paez
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Kirt:
>
> I agree with you completely.
>
>
>
> In fact, if you look at the ancient documents
> and text, you
>
> will
>
> see that Christians started out as one group.
>
> Then for various reasons,
>
> divided,
>
> so in a way, we are both following the
> original
> tradition.
>
> But,
>
> that brings me to my point.
>
> What do we, as Christians, consider acceptable
> behavior for
>
> "children of God?"
>
>
>
> I understand that our Christianity stems from
> our belief in
>
> Jesus Christ.
>
>
>
> But then how do we define "children of God?"
>
> Would we consider Muslims as "children of
> God",
> despite their
>
> views on Jesus Christ being different then
> ours?
>
>
>
> Or do we also define "Children Of God" how we
> define
>
> "Christian?"
>
>
>
> Just food for thought.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Kirt Manwaring
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear list,
>
> I feel like I need to respond to this
> thread.
> Please
>
> understand I'm not trying to spark
> controversy, I don't intend
>
> to debate anyone here, and I'm not trying to
> impose my own
>
> faith on anyone. But, with that disclaimer
> out of the way, I
>
> want to answer one point that was made
> earlier
> on this thread.
>
> John, you said some of your LDS (Mormon)
> friends do not
>
> identify themselves as Christian. I think I
> understand why,
>
> although I whole-heartedly proclaim myself a
> Christian. It
>
> ultimately boils down to your definition of
> a
> Christian. If
>
> the only Christians are those who worship
> the
> Trinity as God,
>
> and confess the Nycene creed, then I suppose
> we Mormons aren't
>
> Christians. But, by that definition, you're
> excluding some of
>
> the most Christian people among us.
> Consider
> Joshua Lester, a
>
> oneness pentecostal who does not believe in the Trinity.
>
> Would anyone here, on this list, seriously
> claim he isn't a
>
> Christian?
>
> His understanding of God as one person is as
> different from
>
> the
>
> traditional Trinity as my understanding of
> God
> as three
>
> separate, distinctive personages who are one
> in purpose rather
>
> than
>
> substance.
>
> Yet I have seen his denomination attacked
> and
> criticized in
>
> the
>
> world for being "unChristian", just as mine
> has been.
>
> So this brings me to my next point. If
> Christians aren't
>
> exclusively Trinitarians, what defines a
> Christian? To me,
>
> it's obvious. Anyone who accepts Christ as
> lord and savior and
>
> relies exclusively upon him as the only
> means
> of salvation is
>
> a
>
> Christian. For us as Mormons Jesus is not
> just a good moral
>
> guide for an excelent life. He isn't just
> an
> inspired teacher
>
> or prophet- he is a member of the godhead,
> our
> redemer and,
>
> ultimately, the only true savior for humankind.
>
> Without Christ we are doomed and lost, we
> need
> his atoning
>
> sacrifice in our lives both to purify us now
> and cleanse us
>
> for
>
> eternity. In my book, if you agree with
> that,
> you're a
>
> Christian. So despite the numerous and
> significant
>
> theological
>
> differences between Catholics and
> Protestants
> and Mormons and
>
> Oneness Pentecostals and Orthadox
> Christians,
> we all have that
>
> common ground. Are Mormons Christian?
>
> Are Oneness pentecostals Christian? I
> answer,
> emphatically,
>
> "yes!"
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Kirt
>
>
>
> On 4/22/11, John J. Boyer
> <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>
> Kirt,
>
>
>
> This happens sometimes, and I've known
> people to be really
>
> embarrassed at some of the things they
> said.
> However, in this
>
> case there is no need for embarrassment. i
> felt that the
>
> information I gave in my reply would be
> good
> for the whole
>
> list.
>
>
>
> Blessed Easter,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 01:44:57PM -0600,
> Kirt Manwaring
>
> wrote:
>
> o> Woops...I sent a message thinking it
> would go just to
>
> John,
>
> o> but it
>
> went to the whole list. My sincere
> appologies.
>
>
>
> On 4/22/11, Jorge Paez
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> Kirt:
>
> I do believe you are right in the
> divisions.
>
> I myself am a Catholic, but have taken the
> time to study
>
> the
>
> 2 other major religions of the world
> (Judaism and Islam),
>
> and we're currently studying the
> reformation
> in school.
>
>
>
> According to my understanding, the
> majesterium mandated at
>
> that time that all bibles bee in Latin,
> therefore making it
>
> impossible for the "common people" to
> read,
> while the
>
> protestants (please correct me if I'm
> wrong)
> were the first
>
> to start reading the bible in common
> languages, believing
>
> that the bible should be read and
> understood
> by each and
>
> every believer.
>
>
>
> Am I correct?
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kirt
> Manwaring
> wrote:
>
>
>
> John,
>
> I never replied to your message earlier.
> Thanks for your
>
> answers about the Majesterium and
> Tradition.
> So, if I'm
>
> understanding right, it is your belief
> that
> the
>
> majesterium/teaching arm of the Roman
> Catholic church is
>
> simply clarifying the revelation already
> given.
>
> In
>
> other words, Jesus was and the Bible was
> the
> complete
>
> Revelation of God. If I'm understanding
> right, the
>
> biggest
>
> disagreement between Catholics and
> Protestants is a matter
>
> of interpretation of the Bible.
>
> For you, am I right in saying the
> interpretation provided
>
> by tradition/majesterium is authoritativ
> and
> the only
>
> "correct" way to look at scripture, while
> in
> Protestant
>
> Christianity it is more open
>
>
>
> to
>
> the reader's own interpretation? I know
> that's a huge
>
> generalization, but would you say I'm
> right
> there?
>
> Anyways...I'm also curious about another
> statement you
>
> made. You said something to the effect of
> believing Joseph
>
> Smith's vissions were genuine, but not
> valid. So...for
>
> you, as a Catholic, do you think he was
> misguided?
>
> Partially inspired but ultimately mistaken
> in taking it
>
> too
>
> far? Inspired by the devil? I won't get
> offended, I want
>
> your honest opinion and I'm not going to
> take it
>
> personally.
>
> And, religious dialogue is definitely
> important...I'd say
>
> escential.
>
> I think there's much to learn from all
> religions, and
>
> personally I'm convinced God has inspired
> them all. That
>
> doesn't mean I believe with everything
> every
> faith claims,
>
> but I see the hand of God throughout the
> religious world.
>
> I have one other question for you. Are
> you
> familiar with
>
> the idea of anonimous Christianity? If
> so,
> what are your
>
> thoughts on it?
>
> God bless,
>
> Kirt
>
>
>
> On 4/21/11, John J. Boyer
> <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>
> I'm definitely Christian, but I'm all for
> interrelitious
>
> dialog.
>
> In
>
> fact, I think that is part of my
> particular
> work of
>
> evangelization.
>
> If
>
> you go to my website,
> http://www.godtouches.org you will
>
> see that it's motto is "peace, love,
> service". I think
>
> that my work of evangelization is to
> spread
> these
>
> attitudes of Christ even in the secular
> world.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 09:25:24PM -0600,
> Kirt Manwaring
>
> wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> I very much enjoy all the devotionals and
> prayer
>
> requests
>
> and discussions on here. I'm pretty sure
> it's one of
>
> the
>
> few worthwhile distractions in life. But
> I
> am curious,
>
> and I definitely don't mean to offend, if
> there are any
>
> non-christian regular readers of this
> mailinglist? I
>
> don't mean to procelyte, and I don't want
> this thread to
>
> turn into an overblown theological debate,
> but I'm very
>
> interested in talking with and learning
> from
> people from
>
> other faiths. If that's you, and you
> wouldn't mind
>
> talking, would you please email me
> off-list?
> I won't
>
> procelyte- I won't try to baptize you or
> anything.
>
> I just want a friendly dialogue.
>
> God bless,
>
> Kirt
>
>
>
>
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