[Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
Joshua Lester
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Sat Apr 30 22:39:19 UTC 2011
Wow!
Amy and I have been using the same sources.
Ms. Linda has also shown us a good book, written by the son of a Hamas, leader.
They are saying the same thing.
Blessings, Joshua
On 4/30/11, qubit <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Amy -- I am verry sorry -- I was not speaking to you, but to Joshua, whose
> mail you were replying to with your short reply.
>
> I should have hunted around for Joshua's mail to reply directly, but the
> messages were arriving in my inbox out of order.
>
> Again, I did not mean to point the finger at you.
> I hope you'll forgive my slip-up.
> If it happens again I will certainly make it obvious in my mail whom I am
> responding to.
> Peace and blessings.
> --le
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amy Ragain
> To: qubit ; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 4:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
> here is a few resources from where I have gathered my info and beliefs!
> please check them out before dismissing them...
> they are both by Pastor Myles Holmes
> pastor of Collinsville Assimboly of God, Collinsville IL...I think their
> website is collinsvilleAG.org but am not sure...heres the links:
>
>
> Jesus Was Just a Good Man
>
>
> the truth bout Islam. "Islam, A Religion of Piece" http://bit.ly/dSlGvq
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2011, at 1:36 PM, qubit wrote:
>
>
> I am tired of the hostility toward a world religion by people who
> haven't
> done their homework.
> Islam may well be in error, but making claims that aren't substantiated
> only
> makes you look wrong as well.
> Of course, I don't know what your beliefs are either.
> But I have looked up enough material to know that some of the statements
> you
> make are wrong.
> So perhaps you should update your references to get more accurate
> information.
> --le
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amy Ragain" <belovedconsecrated2god at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
> amen!!
>
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>
> Jews and Muslems have been at war with each other, since the
> beginning.
>
> The Jews' God was Yahweh, and the Muslems worship Ala.
>
> Yahweh is the God of Isaac, (the Jews claim Isaac to be the father of
>
> the Jewish race.)
>
> Ishmael, (Isaac's half-brother,) is considered the father of the
>
> Arabic race, (Muslems.)
>
> They worship two separate gods.
>
> Yahweh, (to us,) is Jesus, because Jesus calls himself Yahweh, in
>
> John, 5, where he said, "Before Abraham was, I am."
>
> Yahweh semply means, I am.
>
> Ala is a named derived from the name of the moon god, worshiped by
>
> people in Muhammad's day.
>
> We, (Christians and Muslems,) do not both worship the same god.
>
> Christianity came out of Judaism, but Islam is its own separate
> religion.
>
> It's no secret, that Muslems hate Jews.
>
> In Arab countries, they teach the children to chant, "Arabs are
>
> beloved, Jews are dogs."
>
> They've fought, and fought.
>
> They will continue to fight, until Jesus comes again.
>
> I'm on the side of Israel, and I always will be.
>
> I know, that some Muslems are peaceful, but I'm refering to the
>
> popular Islam, that's talked about on the news.
>
> Blessings, Joshua
>
>
>
> On 4/29/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well I'm not muslim so I won't defend them,
>
> but from what I understand he's the same name for our God.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Jeanette wrote:
>
>
>
> the old testament tells us ther is only one true God, as i
> understand it
>
> ala is not the one true god, he is a different god, sorry but that
> is
>
> what
>
> i understand.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
>
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>
> To: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk,for the discussion
> of
>
> faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 4:31 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
>
>
>
> Very interesting.
>
> Despite my firm belief in Jesus Christ, and the Catholic faith, I
> have
>
> also talked to Muslim friends of mine and we agree on many things.
>
>
>
> Interestingly enough, Islam itself is a word that means,
> submission to
>
> Allah (God), so it makes sense that Jesus was considered a good
> Muslim
>
> however, according to what I've read,
>
> there is no mention of Jesus after his birth in the Quran.
>
> Please let me know if you can tell me the versus in which his life
> and
>
> passion are referenced.
>
>
>
> I am a firm believer in Christianity but like to research other
>
> religions
>
> as I believe this simply makes my understanding overall of other
>
> people's
>
> religions and customs much better and thereby strengthens me as a
>
> believer.
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:32 PM, qubit wrote:
>
>
>
> Greetings again --
>
> This list has been active lately...
>
>
>
> I am not muslim, as defined by any of the branches of Islam, but
> I have
>
> a
>
> brother who has read considerably the muslim writings including
> several
>
> translations of the Quran, and I also have read a little in the
> Quran
>
> out
>
> of
>
> curiosity.
>
> I have read only through Surah 2, but it is true there are many
> good
>
> and
>
> peaceful teachings in this part of the Quran. However, like
> the
>
> Bible,
>
> there are also harsh parts of the Quran that lead many to
> justify
>
> violent
>
> behavior such as is in the news. This however, is also true of
> the
>
> Bible
>
> --
>
> there are parts of the Bible that can be twisted to justify a
> lot of
>
> unchristian behaviors. (I'm not equating the Bible and the
> Quran --
>
> they
>
> are very different.)
>
> Your statement that muslims don't believe Jesus is Christ
> actually is
>
> false.
>
> According to my brother, the Quran calls Jesus the Messiah, and
> in fact
>
> includes an interesting telling of Mary and the virgin
> conception of
>
> Jesus,
>
> plus a discussion of his life and crucifixion. I'm afraid i
> don't know
>
> what
>
> it says about the resurrection, but according to my brother, the
> Quran
>
> refers to Jesus and his disciples as true muslims, because of
> their
>
> willingness to submit to God (Allah).
>
> My brother even compares the English translations to the
> original
>
> Arabic,
>
> and has discovers some interesting information -- such as the
> word
>
> usually
>
> translated as "Christians" in the English translations of the
> Quran, is
>
> actually the name of a group of Arabs in Muhammad's time who had
> a
>
> belief
>
> about Christianity that Muhammad disagreed with. It has nothing
> to do
>
> with
>
> modern Christians, or even the Christians that fought in the
> crusades,
>
> which
>
> was centuries after Muhammad's time.
>
>
>
> Anyway, my brother also discovered inconsistencies in the
> various
>
> English
>
> translations of the Quran -- one English version clashed in
> meaning
>
> with
>
> the
>
> others.
>
> He also claims that if you look at the original Arabic, the
> verses in
>
> question agree with verses of the New Testament that discuss the
>
> mission
>
> of
>
> Jesus and related things. However, what he has found is that
> Christian
>
> and
>
> Muslim scholars believe the Bible and Quran clash, and when he
> tries to
>
> point out the verses in question, he is met with mixed
> reactions. The
>
> Christians he talks to find his discovery interesting, while the
>
> muslims
>
> almost always get hot under the collar. He has even been
> escorted out
>
> of
>
> places and asked not to come back...
>
>
>
> One verse in the Quran I found a little incredulous was Sura
> 2:256
>
> "There is no compulsion in religion..."
>
> I guess it surprised me.
>
>
>
> Sorry for the rambling.
>
> Funny thing: even with all the negative reaction my brother gets
> from
>
> most
>
> muslims who listen to him, he was told by one man that he
> thought my
>
> brother
>
> was a true muslim. My brother took it as a compliment.
>
>
>
> I do want to say one thing more:
>
> i agree that there is some truth in all world religions, but
> that
>
> doesn't
>
> mean all of their writings are correct or agree.
>
> I don't think you can put 2 religions -- like Christianity and
> Buddhism
>
> --
>
> side by side and find they are really the same.
>
> An example -- I once read the book "The Power of Myth", which
> tried to
>
> tie
>
> all the world's myths and religious beliefs together by looking
> for
>
> similarities. I also saw the author interviewed on PBS. It
> sounded
>
> interested, until I got to the part where Buddhism and
> Christianity
>
> were
>
> discussed. The author actually tried to equate the missions of
> Buddha
>
> and
>
> Jesus.
>
> I knew a lot about Christianity, and not so much about Buddhism,
> but
>
> the
>
> discussion didn't feel right. I read a little more about Buddha
> and my
>
> conclusion were that while Jesus and Buddha were compassionate
>
> spiritual
>
> leaders, their missions were quite different. I also didn't
> feel like
>
> it
>
> was appropriate to call Jesus a myth. The author also
> misrepresented
>
> or
>
> took liberties with the story told in scripture, which I felt he
>
> couldn't
>
> do. I also felt that if he couldn't get Christianity right,
> which I did
>
> have
>
> a knowledge about, how could I trust what he had to say about
> the other
>
> religions? I would rather research themby talking to persons
> who live
>
> them.
>
>
>
> Anyway, have a nice evening.
>
> --le
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
>
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:25 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
>
>
>
> Alan:
>
> With all due respect,
>
> you have to be aware the bible uses complex langauge structures.
>
> For example: have you ever tried reading Revelations?
>
> You should, but it is a very complicated book to understand.
>
>
>
> What he means by the Father threw me is simple:
>
> if you know him, you know the father.
>
>
>
> But… and this is an important point,
>
> it is a greater crime to not believe in God, then it is to not
>
> recognize
>
> Jesus.
>
>
>
> After all, muslims don't recognize Jesus as the Christ and yet
> their
>
> codes
>
> of ethics stand amongst one of the strictest, and strongest I've
> seen.
>
>
>
> There are many muslims I know who would put so-called Christians
> to
>
> shae
>
> with their devotion to God.
>
>
>
> Are you saying they are bound to hell?
>
>
>
> Not attacking you, just wondering.
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Alan Wheeler wrote:
>
>
>
> No, it is Christ, Himself, who said He is the only way:
>
> John 14
>
>
>
> 2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I
> would have
>
> told
>
> you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
>
> 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back
> and take
>
> you
>
> to
>
> be with me that you also may be where I am.
>
> 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
>
> 5 ¶Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don't know where you are
> going, so
>
> how
>
> can
>
> we know the way?”
>
> 6 ¶Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life.
> No one
>
> comes
>
> to
>
> the Father except through me.
>
> 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well.
> From now
>
> on,
>
> you
>
> do know him and have seen him.”
>
>
>
>
>
> Take note, Jesus didn't say "I am *A* way, *A* truth, and *A*
> life,"
>
> but
>
> rather said "I am *THE* way, *THE* truth, and *THE* life." Use
> of the
>
> word
>
> "the" in that context denotes singleness or exclusivity. So,
> Jesus
>
> was,
>
> in
>
> essence saying he was the only way, the only truth, and the
> only life.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>
> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>
> On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:11 PM
>
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
>
> Christ is who we Christians say is the only way.
>
>
>
> I think its a bigger crime not to believe in God, E.G.,
> atheists, then
>
> not
>
> to believe in Christ.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Jeanette wrote:
>
>
>
> the folks who lived before Christ believed in god, they
> looked
>
> forward
>
> to
>
> Christ the Messiah, God reveals himself to those He chooses to
> reveal
>
> himself to. but according to the bible Jesus is the only way,
> this is
>
> my
>
> personal belief i think by telling people if they are good
> they will
>
> go
>
> to
>
> heaven you are saying there is no need for the sacrafice
> Christ made
>
> on
>
> the
>
> cross. if being good is all it takes then you are saying
> there is no
>
> need
>
> for hell either.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
>
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:28 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
>
>
>
> I say Gandi is in heaven.
>
> Like I said earlier, anyone who does good, and follows
> God's
>
> commandments
>
> though they don't know it obviously, is going to heaven.
>
>
>
> Because, if you think of it,
>
> would all those who believed in God before Christ go to
> hell because
>
> they
>
> did not know him?
>
>
>
> It is now so much knowing him, though for us Christians we
> must, but
>
> for
>
> those who have no concept of Christ, to follow God's
> commandments.
>
>
>
> It is written in the Second Vatican, "for those who don't
> know
>
> Christ,
>
> then God shall reveal on to them in ways that only He knows."
>
>
>
> This is perhaps suggesting that despite everything that is
> said on
>
> the
>
> outside, even athiests have been shown some light?
>
>
>
> Some compulsion to do good, dispite their outwards denial
> of God?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>
>
>
> I believe you absolutely need Jesus- but I have to
> reconcile that
>
> belief with the fact that most people throughout history
> either
>
> never heard of Christ, or had no real idea who he was.
> Will
>
> someone
>
> like Gandhi, who did an incredible amount of good in
> this life, go
>
> to hell simply because he didn't accept Jesus as savior
> while he
>
> was
>
> here?
>
>
>
> On 4/28/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> any literature other than the bible is not God
> inspired there
>
> fore is not reliable. just my opinion, not criticizing
> anyone,
>
> just
>
> what i believe, if you do not need Jesus to go to
> Heaven then how
>
> to you explain the need for Him to sacrafice His life
> for our
>
> sins?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Jorge Paez" <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
> religion"
>
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:14 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] non-christians on this list
>
>
>
>
>
> Kirt:
>
> I agree with your view,
>
> my difference being that although all are children
> of God, only
>
> those who do good shall be saved, weather they have
> a religion or
>
> not.
>
>
>
> And, quick FYI, apparently I was just reading that
> this theory
>
> has
>
> been written by Pope Benedict the 16th, though I
> can't remember
>
> his name prior to this.
>
>
>
> This was also included in the Second Vatican of the
> Catholic
>
> church, and if anyone's interested in research on
> this topic by
>
> the way, I've found Bookshare to be a surprisingly
> reliable
>
> source.
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>
>
>
> Jorge,
>
> My church teaches that all humans are children of
> God.
>
> Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus,
> Bahais, Wiccans,
>
> Atheists, Satanists, murderers, rapists, everyone
> is literally a
>
> spirit child of god.
>
> Also, you might be interested in the idea of
> "anonimous
>
> christianity." I'm not going to do it justice,
> but it was an
>
> idea advanced by a certain catholic theologian (I
> can't recall
>
> the name) that basically all people living
> christlike lives have
>
> access to Christ's grace, though they don't know
> it yet. As a
>
> Mormon, a central part of my faith is that, some
> day, either in
>
> this life or the next, all people will have the
> chance to hear
>
> the gospel of Christ. Were this not true, God
> would not be a
>
> fair and just God because, throughout the ages,
> there have been
>
> billions of people who literally never even heard
> of Jesus
>
> Christ. I can't believe in a God who would damn
> someone merely
>
> because they were never exposed to Christ in
> mortal life, or
>
> because they chose to live by their original faith
> instead,
>
> without really understanding what Christ offers.
> So, I believe
>
> that heaven will be full of Mormons and Catholics
> and Muslims
>
> and
>
> HIndus and all manner of religions...at least,
> full of people
>
> who
>
> believed all manner of religions while living here
> on earth,
>
> they
>
> will all have accepted Christ as savior and lived
> his
>
> commandments to the best of their abilities before
> being saved,
>
> though. I'm just rambling...but basically I
> believe that, just
>
> because someone dies without faith in Christ, I
> don't believe
>
> they
>
> are ultimately condemned to hell unless they reject Christ
> later.
>
> Just my thoughts. I'd welcome discussion or
> civilized debate.
>
> Best,
>
> Kirt
>
>
>
> On 4/28/11, Jorge Paez
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Kirt:
>
> I agree with you completely.
>
>
>
> In fact, if you look at the ancient documents
> and text, you
>
> will
>
> see that Christians started out as one group.
>
> Then for various reasons,
>
> divided,
>
> so in a way, we are both following the original
> tradition.
>
> But,
>
> that brings me to my point.
>
> What do we, as Christians, consider acceptable
> behavior for
>
> "children of God?"
>
>
>
> I understand that our Christianity stems from
> our belief in
>
> Jesus Christ.
>
>
>
> But then how do we define "children of God?"
>
> Would we consider Muslims as "children of God",
> despite their
>
> views on Jesus Christ being different then ours?
>
>
>
> Or do we also define "Children Of God" how we
> define
>
> "Christian?"
>
>
>
> Just food for thought.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Kirt Manwaring
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear list,
>
> I feel like I need to respond to this thread.
> Please
>
> understand I'm not trying to spark
> controversy, I don't intend
>
> to debate anyone here, and I'm not trying to
> impose my own
>
> faith on anyone. But, with that disclaimer
> out of the way, I
>
> want to answer one point that was made earlier
> on this thread.
>
> John, you said some of your LDS (Mormon)
> friends do not
>
> identify themselves as Christian. I think I
> understand why,
>
> although I whole-heartedly proclaim myself a
> Christian. It
>
> ultimately boils down to your definition of a
> Christian. If
>
> the only Christians are those who worship the
> Trinity as God,
>
> and confess the Nycene creed, then I suppose
> we Mormons aren't
>
> Christians. But, by that definition, you're
> excluding some of
>
> the most Christian people among us. Consider
> Joshua Lester, a
>
> oneness pentecostal who does not believe in the Trinity.
>
> Would anyone here, on this list, seriously
> claim he isn't a
>
> Christian?
>
> His understanding of God as one person is as
> different from
>
> the
>
> traditional Trinity as my understanding of God
> as three
>
> separate, distinctive personages who are one
> in purpose rather
>
> than
>
> substance.
>
> Yet I have seen his denomination attacked and
> criticized in
>
> the
>
> world for being "unChristian", just as mine
> has been.
>
> So this brings me to my next point. If
> Christians aren't
>
> exclusively Trinitarians, what defines a
> Christian? To me,
>
> it's obvious. Anyone who accepts Christ as
> lord and savior and
>
> relies exclusively upon him as the only means
> of salvation is
>
> a
>
> Christian. For us as Mormons Jesus is not
> just a good moral
>
> guide for an excelent life. He isn't just an
> inspired teacher
>
> or prophet- he is a member of the godhead, our
> redemer and,
>
> ultimately, the only true savior for humankind.
>
> Without Christ we are doomed and lost, we need
> his atoning
>
> sacrifice in our lives both to purify us now
> and cleanse us
>
> for
>
> eternity. In my book, if you agree with that,
> you're a
>
> Christian. So despite the numerous and
> significant
>
> theological
>
> differences between Catholics and Protestants
> and Mormons and
>
> Oneness Pentecostals and Orthadox Christians,
> we all have that
>
> common ground. Are Mormons Christian?
>
> Are Oneness pentecostals Christian? I answer,
> emphatically,
>
> "yes!"
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Kirt
>
>
>
> On 4/22/11, John J. Boyer
> <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>
> Kirt,
>
>
>
> This happens sometimes, and I've known
> people to be really
>
> embarrassed at some of the things they said.
> However, in this
>
> case there is no need for embarrassment. i
> felt that the
>
> information I gave in my reply would be good
> for the whole
>
> list.
>
>
>
> Blessed Easter,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 01:44:57PM -0600,
> Kirt Manwaring
>
> wrote:
>
> o> Woops...I sent a message thinking it
> would go just to
>
> John,
>
> o> but it
>
> went to the whole list. My sincere
> appologies.
>
>
>
> On 4/22/11, Jorge Paez
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> Kirt:
>
> I do believe you are right in the divisions.
>
> I myself am a Catholic, but have taken the
> time to study
>
> the
>
> 2 other major religions of the world
> (Judaism and Islam),
>
> and we're currently studying the reformation
> in school.
>
>
>
> According to my understanding, the
> majesterium mandated at
>
> that time that all bibles bee in Latin,
> therefore making it
>
> impossible for the "common people" to read,
> while the
>
> protestants (please correct me if I'm wrong)
> were the first
>
> to start reading the bible in common
> languages, believing
>
> that the bible should be read and understood
> by each and
>
> every believer.
>
>
>
> Am I correct?
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kirt Manwaring
> wrote:
>
>
>
> John,
>
> I never replied to your message earlier.
> Thanks for your
>
> answers about the Majesterium and Tradition.
> So, if I'm
>
> understanding right, it is your belief that
> the
>
> majesterium/teaching arm of the Roman
> Catholic church is
>
> simply clarifying the revelation already
> given.
>
> In
>
> other words, Jesus was and the Bible was the
> complete
>
> Revelation of God. If I'm understanding
> right, the
>
> biggest
>
> disagreement between Catholics and
> Protestants is a matter
>
> of interpretation of the Bible.
>
> For you, am I right in saying the
> interpretation provided
>
> by tradition/majesterium is authoritativ and
> the only
>
> "correct" way to look at scripture, while in
> Protestant
>
> Christianity it is more open
>
>
>
> to
>
> the reader's own interpretation? I know
> that's a huge
>
> generalization, but would you say I'm right
> there?
>
> Anyways...I'm also curious about another
> statement you
>
> made. You said something to the effect of
> believing Joseph
>
> Smith's vissions were genuine, but not
> valid. So...for
>
> you, as a Catholic, do you think he was
> misguided?
>
> Partially inspired but ultimately mistaken
> in taking it
>
> too
>
> far? Inspired by the devil? I won't get
> offended, I want
>
> your honest opinion and I'm not going to
> take it
>
> personally.
>
> And, religious dialogue is definitely
> important...I'd say
>
> escential.
>
> I think there's much to learn from all
> religions, and
>
> personally I'm convinced God has inspired
> them all. That
>
> doesn't mean I believe with everything every
> faith claims,
>
> but I see the hand of God throughout the
> religious world.
>
> I have one other question for you. Are you
> familiar with
>
> the idea of anonimous Christianity? If so,
> what are your
>
> thoughts on it?
>
> God bless,
>
> Kirt
>
>
>
> On 4/21/11, John J. Boyer
> <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>
> I'm definitely Christian, but I'm all for
> interrelitious
>
> dialog.
>
> In
>
> fact, I think that is part of my particular
> work of
>
> evangelization.
>
> If
>
> you go to my website,
> http://www.godtouches.org you will
>
> see that it's motto is "peace, love,
> service". I think
>
> that my work of evangelization is to spread
> these
>
> attitudes of Christ even in the secular
> world.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 09:25:24PM -0600,
> Kirt Manwaring
>
> wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> I very much enjoy all the devotionals and
> prayer
>
> requests
>
> and discussions on here. I'm pretty sure
> it's one of
>
> the
>
> few worthwhile distractions in life. But I
> am curious,
>
> and I definitely don't mean to offend, if
> there are any
>
> non-christian regular readers of this
> mailinglist? I
>
> don't mean to procelyte, and I don't want
> this thread to
>
> turn into an overblown theological debate,
> but I'm very
>
> interested in talking with and learning from
> people from
>
> other faiths. If that's you, and you
> wouldn't mind
>
> talking, would you please email me off-list?
> I won't
>
> procelyte- I won't try to baptize you or
> anything.
>
> I just want a friendly dialogue.
>
> God bless,
>
> Kirt
>
>
>
>
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