[Faith-talk] Casey Anthony

Mon Aug 8 21:59:41 UTC 2011

sure it did and your statement about folks being saved or not being saved 
versus once saved always saved is the main argument that many of us have 
with that particular sect of the Baptist church, i used to attend  BBaptist 
churches when younger, none of them subscribed to the once saved always 
saved doctrine, i always figured the once saved always saved fols were what 
we called the number Baptist, you know, those that have folks come down to 
the front and take Christ as their savior and then either never come to 
church or only come every now and then or on holidays, nt turning their 
lives over to Christ and not growing in their walk with Christ, it is sad, 
this kind f situation missleads many folks who believe all they need to do 
is profess and go on with life, i have met many folks who believe since they 
were baptized theya re saved and they have never been back to church r never 
cracked open a bible and the idea of prayer is foreign to them many of them 
come from a baptist background, penecostal or johova witness background but 
of course they also come from all kinds of other backgrounds that someone 
told them that if they get baptized then they are saved, very sad, i dated a 
guy recently who felt that way, he still to this day refuses to believe he 
is not saved even though he sees no reason to go to church, read thebible 
and has no idea what we mean when we talk about a relationship with Christ. 
jeanette
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Leslie Howard, Jr." <rex at littlelaw.com>
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Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony


> I'm going to try and articulate something that is in my heart with regard 
> to
> that "once saved, always saved" doctrine. I don't know if I will be
> successful in saying what I feel but here goes.
>
> I do not believe in the "once saved, always saved" doctrine because it
> represents to me a term that I've heard people use. I've heard people 
> refer
> to some as "carnal Christians." How on earth can one be a "carnal
> Christian." Either one is Christian and wanting to live within the will of
> god, or one is not Christian and desires to live by the world's standards.
>
> I have issue with the term "carnal Christian" just as I do with the term
> "born again Christian." One can't be a Christian unless one is born again,
> so how can one be a "born again Christian?" Can one be a "born again
> Atheist?"
>
> Not in my opinion.
>
> I believe it comes down to this: either we are saved or we are not. A 
> saved
> person doesn't want to lose his or her salvation so the point of "once
> saved, always saved" is mute as far as I am concerned.
>
> I don't mean to offend anyone when I say this but I think the "once saved,
> always saved" doctrine is a cop-out for those who aren't really saved. It 
> is
> a term, I believe, adopted by those who want to confess themselves as
> Christians and yet be a part of the carnality of this world.
>
> I am, in no way, saying that this is a description for Baptists. I believe
> that many Baptists don't subscribe to the "once saved, always saved"
> doctrine. I believe that the real issue is not whether salvation can be 
> lost
> but that one who is truly a Christian doesn't desire, at all, to lose that
> salvation.
>
> I believe that one can turn one's back on god, after knowing of God's 
> grace,
> love and mercy and, as a result, the sacrifice of Christ Jesus becomes 
> null
> and void in their lives. I believe that, at this point, God turns them 
> over
> to a reprobate mind where they have no desire to know Him.
>
> Remember, I believe that one who is truly saved wants to please God and 
> not
> be conformed to this world. Will a righteous person fall? Yes the word 
> tells
> us this may happen, but a righteous person gets up again and seeks after 
> God
> with a repentant and contrite heart. Does a righteous person want to fall?
> No, I don't believe so.
>
> Did that make any sense at all?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:02 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>
> How do you know that's what her particular Baptist church teaches? Not all
> Baptist churches teach "Once saved always saved," RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
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> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>
>
>> That's what I was saying.
>> She needs Jesus.
>> The problem is, she thinks she's already saved.
>> They're in a Baptist church, that teaches, that if you were saved at
>> one point, you're always saved, no matter what you do.
>> That's why she said, on those jailhouse tapes, that she was reading
>> her Bible, and praying.
>> She needs to, but there's too much, that she's showing, that doesn't
>> show true Biblical Christianity.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 8/8/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>> Wow! What an interesting and thought provoking question. I would imagine
>>> that there are many different feelings and viewpoints on this issue.
>>>
>>> My opinion is that of course she should be forgiven. Jesus, who was pure
>>> and
>>> sinless, asked for the forgiveness of those who persecuted and crucified
>>> him, therefore I believe that Casey should be forgiven. But, by whom? I
>>> don't have anything to forgive her for. She did not trespass against me
>>> although she has certainly conjured up moral outrage in my mind. Should 
>>> I
>>> repent for those feelings and ask for forgiveness? I believe that my
>>> anger
>>> towards her is righteous anger. It does not consume me and I do not let
>>> the
>>> sun set on my anger towards her.
>>>
>>> Would this anger keep me from ministering to her if I had the
>>> opportunity?
>>> Certainly not.
>>>
>>> I would certainly attempt to minister to her and perhaps she would see
>>> God's
>>> will and God's love in my ministering. If she did not and refused to 
>>> hear
>>> the good news, then I could say that I did all that I could do to reach
>>> her.
>>>
>>> Should those who are directly effected by her conduct exercise
>>> forgiveness
>>> to her. Yes I believe they should. Should they put themselves in
>>> positions
>>> where she might hurt them again or violate their trust or do something
>>> harmful to them? No.
>>>
>>> Forgiveness does not mean that we put our trust in those who have
>>> violated
>>> that trust. It does, however, mean that we put our trust in God and use
>>> every opportunity to show God's love, grace and mercy to those for whom
>>> we
>>> have exercised forgiveness. In showing that love, we have done all that
>>> we
>>> can do and it is up to God to grow whatever seeds we have planted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
>>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:31 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>>>
>>> Should Casey Anthony be forgiven? Should we as Christians reach out to
>>> her?
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