[Faith-talk] Casey Anthony

Mon Aug 8 22:10:58 UTC 2011

Josh, I think you mist understood my question. How can you be certian Casey 
Anthony's pastor teaches Once saved always saved? RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony


> There is only one Baptist church, in my community, that doesn't
> believe in Once Saved, Always Saved.
> I know that there are some Baptists, that don't believe that.
> I said, "The Baptist church, they're out of."
> The official name of the doctrine is "Unconditional Eternal Security."
> Rex, that is right on.
> That's why I don't like Bill Gaither's song, "I'm just a sinner, saved
> by grace."
> You're either a sinner, or you're saved by grace.
> You cannot be both.
> James, 1:7, (I believe it is,) says, "A double minded man, is
> unstable, in all of his ways."
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 8/8/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>> I'm going to try and articulate something that is in my heart with regard 
>> to
>> that "once saved, always saved" doctrine. I don't know if I will be
>> successful in saying what I feel but here goes.
>>
>> I do not believe in the "once saved, always saved" doctrine because it
>> represents to me a term that I've heard people use. I've heard people 
>> refer
>> to some as "carnal Christians." How on earth can one be a "carnal
>> Christian." Either one is Christian and wanting to live within the will 
>> of
>> god, or one is not Christian and desires to live by the world's 
>> standards.
>>
>> I have issue with the term "carnal Christian" just as I do with the term
>> "born again Christian." One can't be a Christian unless one is born 
>> again,
>> so how can one be a "born again Christian?" Can one be a "born again
>> Atheist?"
>>
>> Not in my opinion.
>>
>> I believe it comes down to this: either we are saved or we are not. A 
>> saved
>> person doesn't want to lose his or her salvation so the point of "once
>> saved, always saved" is mute as far as I am concerned.
>>
>> I don't mean to offend anyone when I say this but I think the "once 
>> saved,
>> always saved" doctrine is a cop-out for those who aren't really saved. It 
>> is
>> a term, I believe, adopted by those who want to confess themselves as
>> Christians and yet be a part of the carnality of this world.
>>
>> I am, in no way, saying that this is a description for Baptists. I 
>> believe
>> that many Baptists don't subscribe to the "once saved, always saved"
>> doctrine. I believe that the real issue is not whether salvation can be 
>> lost
>> but that one who is truly a Christian doesn't desire, at all, to lose 
>> that
>> salvation.
>>
>> I believe that one can turn one's back on god, after knowing of God's 
>> grace,
>> love and mercy and, as a result, the sacrifice of Christ Jesus becomes 
>> null
>> and void in their lives. I believe that, at this point, God turns them 
>> over
>> to a reprobate mind where they have no desire to know Him.
>>
>> Remember, I believe that one who is truly saved wants to please God and 
>> not
>> be conformed to this world. Will a righteous person fall? Yes the word 
>> tells
>> us this may happen, but a righteous person gets up again and seeks after 
>> God
>> with a repentant and contrite heart. Does a righteous person want to 
>> fall?
>> No, I don't believe so.
>>
>> Did that make any sense at all?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
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>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:02 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>>
>> How do you know that's what her particular Baptist church teaches? Not 
>> all
>> Baptist churches teach "Once saved always saved," RJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>>
>>
>>> That's what I was saying.
>>> She needs Jesus.
>>> The problem is, she thinks she's already saved.
>>> They're in a Baptist church, that teaches, that if you were saved at
>>> one point, you're always saved, no matter what you do.
>>> That's why she said, on those jailhouse tapes, that she was reading
>>> her Bible, and praying.
>>> She needs to, but there's too much, that she's showing, that doesn't
>>> show true Biblical Christianity.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 8/8/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>> Wow! What an interesting and thought provoking question. I would 
>>>> imagine
>>>> that there are many different feelings and viewpoints on this issue.
>>>>
>>>> My opinion is that of course she should be forgiven. Jesus, who was 
>>>> pure
>>>> and
>>>> sinless, asked for the forgiveness of those who persecuted and 
>>>> crucified
>>>> him, therefore I believe that Casey should be forgiven. But, by whom? I
>>>> don't have anything to forgive her for. She did not trespass against me
>>>> although she has certainly conjured up moral outrage in my mind. Should 
>>>> I
>>>> repent for those feelings and ask for forgiveness? I believe that my
>>>> anger
>>>> towards her is righteous anger. It does not consume me and I do not let
>>>> the
>>>> sun set on my anger towards her.
>>>>
>>>> Would this anger keep me from ministering to her if I had the
>>>> opportunity?
>>>> Certainly not.
>>>>
>>>> I would certainly attempt to minister to her and perhaps she would see
>>>> God's
>>>> will and God's love in my ministering. If she did not and refused to 
>>>> hear
>>>> the good news, then I could say that I did all that I could do to reach
>>>> her.
>>>>
>>>> Should those who are directly effected by her conduct exercise
>>>> forgiveness
>>>> to her. Yes I believe they should. Should they put themselves in
>>>> positions
>>>> where she might hurt them again or violate their trust or do something
>>>> harmful to them? No.
>>>>
>>>> Forgiveness does not mean that we put our trust in those who have
>>>> violated
>>>> that trust. It does, however, mean that we put our trust in God and use
>>>> every opportunity to show God's love, grace and mercy to those for whom
>>>> we
>>>> have exercised forgiveness. In showing that love, we have done all that
>>>> we
>>>> can do and it is up to God to grow whatever seeds we have planted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:31 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Casey Anthony
>>>>
>>>> Should Casey Anthony be forgiven? Should we as Christians reach out to
>>>> her?
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