[Faith-talk] sin!

Wed Aug 10 20:20:12 UTC 2011

just a silly attempt to switch words around to make yourself look better 
than the rest of us, i don't mean to sound rude but this is getting 
tiresome.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sin!


>I do make a mistake, or stumble.
> That's sin.
> I admit that.
> The point is, it's not my new nature, that's sinning.
> I only sin, when I let my guard down, and allow my old man to resurrect 
> itself.
> It's the war, the apostle Paul talks about.
> The flesh, (old man,) is weak, but the spirit, (new man,) is willing.
> The new man, and the old man fight each other.
> We must strive to keep that old man down.
> We should pray, and crucify the flesh daily.
> That's what Paul talks about.
> We must take time to be holy, as the old hymn says.
> For more in depth teaching on holiness, again, I recommend that you
> read John Wesley, and Charles Finny.
> Have you heard of Jesse Morrell?
> I'll find his site, for you.
> He does the open air preaching circuit, and teaches holiness.
> He's a modern day Finny.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 8/10/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> i think we all strive to be Holy, all of us sin, the difference i think 
>> is
>> you are refusing to acknowledge that you sin, you want to water it down 
>> and
>> call it something else so you appear more Holy than the rest of us,
>> ridiculous.  of course we none of us want to sin, but we are 
>> acknowledging
>> we sin, you do not, you want to be better than the rest of us.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sin!
>>
>>
>>> No way am I conceited, or trying to come across that way.
>>> Have you ever been in a holiness church?
>>> Have you ever heard teaching on holiness, from the Wesleyan prospective?
>>> The apostles taught it that way.
>>> What I see, is people that want to make excuses, for their behavior.
>>> What then, did Paul mean, by keeping our bodies under subjection, if
>>> it wasn't trying to keep the old man down?
>>> It dies, at repentance, you bury it in the waters of baptism, (in
>>> Jesus name,) and when you receive the Holy Ghost, you are resurrected,
>>> with Christ.
>>> Read Romans, 6.
>>> We need to leave the sin nature behind.
>>> We need to walk in the newness of life, with Christ.
>>> I'm not professing to be perfect, but I'm striving for it.
>>> I'm determined to hold out, till the end, (as an old Gospel song says.)
>>> Another one says this.
>>> "Lord I'm running, trying to make a hundred.
>>> Ninety-nine, and a half won't do."
>>> I'm sold out to Christ.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 8/10/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> i think it is sad you have been taught something that is not true, we
>>>> will
>>>> sin, we are sinful creatures, as Linda said in her great email, quit
>>>> trying
>>>> to shove your beliefs on us, you are conceited as one of the other 
>>>> ladies
>>>> said so you are sinning right now, let it go.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:17 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sin!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sister Jeanette, I said this, in the other thread, and it bears
>>>>> repeating
>>>>> here.
>>>>> The new man, (new creation in Christ,) doesn't sin.
>>>>> The only way we commit sin, is when we allow the flesh, (the old man,)
>>>>> to resurrect itself.
>>>>> That's what this holiness lifestyle is for.
>>>>> We're to put our bodies, (our flesh,) (the old man,) under subjection,
>>>>> as the apostle Paul instructed.
>>>>> That way, we keep the old man dead, and allow the new man, (controlled
>>>>> by Christ,) to live, and rule.
>>>>> When we do this, we can overcome sin, by the power of the Holy Spirit.
>>>>> George Fox's quote again.
>>>>> "It is not impossible for us to sin, but it is possible for us not to
>>>>> sin."
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/9/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> nope.  we are sinners until we go to be with Jesus
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 6:48 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sin!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He said, that he was the chiefest of sinners.
>>>>>>> The new creature, controlled by the Holy Spirit, doesn't sin.
>>>>>>> We only sin, when we allow the flesh, (old creature,) to resurrect
>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>> The new man, isn't a sinner.
>>>>>>> Christ lives in us.
>>>>>>> It's he that liveth in me, no longer I that live.
>>>>>>> Remember that scripture?
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/9/11, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Romans is a book written to christians and paul states that he 
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> he doesn't want to do and does what he doesn't want to do and he
>>>>>>>> called
>>>>>>>> himself the chiefest of sinners so where does the idea that we are 
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> longer
>>>>>>>> sinners when we become christians? Be careful in this because it 
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> serious business when we make anything other than christ and him
>>>>>>>> crucified
>>>>>>>> the foundation on which we state beliefs.
>>>>>>>>
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