[Faith-talk] sin!

Wed Aug 10 22:22:44 UTC 2011

I'm moving this off the list.
I've noticed, that I can't get anywhere, on an Internet list, talking
about old time holiness.
I've never heard such nonsense.
I wish, we'd all go back to the way things used to be.
People were convicted by the preaching of Edwards, Finny, Wesley, Fox,
and others.
Now, those men of God would be considered legalistic.
What a shame!
Blessings, Joshua

On 8/10/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
> just a silly attempt to switch words around to make yourself look better
> than the rest of us, i don't mean to sound rude but this is getting
> tiresome.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sin!
>
>
>>I do make a mistake, or stumble.
>> That's sin.
>> I admit that.
>> The point is, it's not my new nature, that's sinning.
>> I only sin, when I let my guard down, and allow my old man to resurrect
>> itself.
>> It's the war, the apostle Paul talks about.
>> The flesh, (old man,) is weak, but the spirit, (new man,) is willing.
>> The new man, and the old man fight each other.
>> We must strive to keep that old man down.
>> We should pray, and crucify the flesh daily.
>> That's what Paul talks about.
>> We must take time to be holy, as the old hymn says.
>> For more in depth teaching on holiness, again, I recommend that you
>> read John Wesley, and Charles Finny.
>> Have you heard of Jesse Morrell?
>> I'll find his site, for you.
>> He does the open air preaching circuit, and teaches holiness.
>> He's a modern day Finny.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 8/10/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> i think we all strive to be Holy, all of us sin, the difference i think
>>> is
>>> you are refusing to acknowledge that you sin, you want to water it down
>>> and
>>> call it something else so you appear more Holy than the rest of us,
>>> ridiculous.  of course we none of us want to sin, but we are
>>> acknowledging
>>> we sin, you do not, you want to be better than the rest of us.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sin!
>>>
>>>
>>>> No way am I conceited, or trying to come across that way.
>>>> Have you ever been in a holiness church?
>>>> Have you ever heard teaching on holiness, from the Wesleyan prospective?
>>>> The apostles taught it that way.
>>>> What I see, is people that want to make excuses, for their behavior.
>>>> What then, did Paul mean, by keeping our bodies under subjection, if
>>>> it wasn't trying to keep the old man down?
>>>> It dies, at repentance, you bury it in the waters of baptism, (in
>>>> Jesus name,) and when you receive the Holy Ghost, you are resurrected,
>>>> with Christ.
>>>> Read Romans, 6.
>>>> We need to leave the sin nature behind.
>>>> We need to walk in the newness of life, with Christ.
>>>> I'm not professing to be perfect, but I'm striving for it.
>>>> I'm determined to hold out, till the end, (as an old Gospel song says.)
>>>> Another one says this.
>>>> "Lord I'm running, trying to make a hundred.
>>>> Ninety-nine, and a half won't do."
>>>> I'm sold out to Christ.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 8/10/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> i think it is sad you have been taught something that is not true, we
>>>>> will
>>>>> sin, we are sinful creatures, as Linda said in her great email, quit
>>>>> trying
>>>>> to shove your beliefs on us, you are conceited as one of the other
>>>>> ladies
>>>>> said so you are sinning right now, let it go.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:17 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sin!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sister Jeanette, I said this, in the other thread, and it bears
>>>>>> repeating
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>> The new man, (new creation in Christ,) doesn't sin.
>>>>>> The only way we commit sin, is when we allow the flesh, (the old man,)
>>>>>> to resurrect itself.
>>>>>> That's what this holiness lifestyle is for.
>>>>>> We're to put our bodies, (our flesh,) (the old man,) under subjection,
>>>>>> as the apostle Paul instructed.
>>>>>> That way, we keep the old man dead, and allow the new man, (controlled
>>>>>> by Christ,) to live, and rule.
>>>>>> When we do this, we can overcome sin, by the power of the Holy Spirit.
>>>>>> George Fox's quote again.
>>>>>> "It is not impossible for us to sin, but it is possible for us not to
>>>>>> sin."
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/9/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> nope.  we are sinners until we go to be with Jesus
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 6:48 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] sin!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He said, that he was the chiefest of sinners.
>>>>>>>> The new creature, controlled by the Holy Spirit, doesn't sin.
>>>>>>>> We only sin, when we allow the flesh, (old creature,) to resurrect
>>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>>> The new man, isn't a sinner.
>>>>>>>> Christ lives in us.
>>>>>>>> It's he that liveth in me, no longer I that live.
>>>>>>>> Remember that scripture?
>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/9/11, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Romans is a book written to christians and paul states that he
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> he doesn't want to do and does what he doesn't want to do and he
>>>>>>>>> called
>>>>>>>>> himself the chiefest of sinners so where does the idea that we are
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> longer
>>>>>>>>> sinners when we become christians? Be careful in this because it
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> serious business when we make anything other than christ and him
>>>>>>>>> crucified
>>>>>>>>> the foundation on which we state beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>
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