[Faith-talk] Holiness, or legalism?

Thu Aug 11 17:28:39 UTC 2011

    Joshua,
What about those that are who are blind or hearing impaired?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:55 AM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Holiness, or legalism?

That's exactly what the church should be doing, Patrick.
Our church's women's ministry does this.
We love to help people.
My pastor doesn't harp on the standards, because as I said, when
you're born again, in our church, things naturally fall into place.
They follow the example.
Blessings, Joshua

On 8/11/11, Patrick Gormley <kk3f at msn.com> wrote:
> Amy your comments are spot on.  If somebody isn't dressed properly, there
> are individual factors which can only be handled one on one.  They also 
> need
> to be handled very tactfully and in as gentle a way as you can possibly do
> it.  A couple of years ago, I heard of a program done by a Baptist Church
> where they helped women who were job hunting and they bought them  new
> wardrobes to help them through that process.  I believe it was called 
> dress
> for success.  They worked with impoverished women and they helped them 
> with
> parenting skills meal preparation, all kinds of things.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Amy Ragain" <belovedconsecrated2god at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:55 PM
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Holiness, or legalism?
>
>> Joshua,
>> no offence, but who are you to judge what is appropriate clothing for
>> someone to where to church? and I must ask you this as well, isn't it
>> better that they come no matter what they where so that they may have the
>> chance to hear God's word than to not come at all because they dont dress
>> propporly??
>> I think we should leave the judging of the outside appearence of ppl to
>> the Lord, and focus on sharing God's love and saving grace with them!
>> what if someone doesn't own and cant aford to buy the proppor church 
>> going
>>
>> clothes for instance are they to wait until they can aford to buy some?
>> I believ that God would rather have them come hear the Word in whatever
>> they have than wait until it is perhaps too late for them to hear at all!
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not one to judge sleeve lengths, and things like that.
>>> I just don't like people going to church, dressed inappropriately.
>>> I believe, that extrabiblical standards lead to legalism, but it isn't
>>> legalistic, when there are certain things spelled out, clearly in the
>>> Bible.
>>> I showed you about the women, and the hair, in 1 Corinthians, 11.
>>> That isn't legalistic, because it's clearly spelled out in scripture.
>>> Also, one of our preachers in the UPC, named Lee Stoneking has a
>>> powerful sermon on this truth, on Youtube.
>>> Please listen to him.
>>> Also, again, please read John Wesley's writings.
>>> I'm concerned about everyone, on here.
>>> I love you, with God's love.
>>> Sometimes, I have to tell people what they don't want to hear, because
>>> it's called speaking the truth in love.
>>> I remember when I was growing up.
>>> We had a tent revival, every summer.
>>> Walter Airs preached under the big tent, every July.
>>> He preached Hell, so hot I could feel the fire, and smell the smoke.
>>> He'd cry, because he didn't want anyone to go there.
>>> Conviction fell on me, every time I heard him preach.
>>> When he'd mention the bottomless pit, I could imagine it, because his
>>> description was so graphic.
>>> I could feel my self falling, and falling, and there was no stopping it.
>>> It's that kind of holiness preaching, that brings conviction to the
>>> souls.
>>> It isn't Joel Ostine's, "discover the champion in you," nonsense, that
>>> wins souls.
>>> There's no mention of the cross, or the blood.
>>> The churches today have removed the blood, from the songbooks, because
>>> it's too offensive.
>>> Now, the so-called praise and worship music, resembles that of a rock
>>> concert.
>>> What a shame!
>>> Go back to holiness, and the blood, and souls will be saved again,
>>> like they were in the old time way.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 8/10/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> i am a former homeschooler, one of the subjects very close to the 
>>>> hearts
>>>>
>>>> of
>>>> many homeschoolers is teaching our young children to be modest, modest
>>>> by
>>>> the way is relative to the culture you live in.  what is modesty to one
>>>> culture is not to another, it is all about understanding what God calls
>>>> folks to do rather than a set  of laws set up by one group of folks  to
>>>> rule
>>>> over us.  we each have to make the decisions of what we feel is
>>>> appropriate
>>>> for our family because it is between us and God, to sit in judgement
>>>> over
>>>> folks because they wear sleeveless shirts versus shirts with sleeves or
>>>> because their shorts are too short and not to their knees is legalism,
>>>> ridiculousness that Paul also talks about, we are to focus our minds on
>>>> the
>>>> things of God, not on the things that cause quarrels in the body, we
>>>> each
>>>> answer to god for our actions as well as all aspects of our lives, this
>>>> argument and your continued attempt to force your beliefs on us is one
>>>> of
>>>> the ways i believe satan   causes trouble in the body.
>>>> we are to love one another, yes even those of us who wear make up and
>>>> cut
>>>> our hair or wear pants or even those who have a drink from time to time
>>>> are
>>>> christians and we love the Lord as much of those who believe that
>>>> because
>>>> they follow a certain set of rules they are holier than the rest. i
>>>> really
>>>> feel like this subject needs to be put to rest.
>>>> you are for sure entitled to your beliefs and your way of life, i 
>>>> admire
>>>> you for trying to live up to standards you think god has called you to,
>>>> but
>>>> i also believe that i too  attempt through the guidance of the  Holy
>>>> Spirit
>>>> to live a holy life and i stumble from time to time, this is sin and i
>>>> ask
>>>> forgiveness from my Lord and Savior and He forgives me and i grow 
>>>> closer
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>> Him. jeanette
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:02 AM
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Holiness, or legalism?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>> If you want to know, where I get my holiness beliefs from, here's a
>>>>> site, with all of the Bible verses on modesty.
>>>>> http://www.openbible.info/topics/modesty-
>>>>> After reading these scriptures, you decide, whether this is holiness,
>>>>> or legalistic.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
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