[Faith-talk] Wesley brothers was R.C. Sproul's magazine and site

Thu Dec 1 14:34:27 UTC 2011

Joshua,
On this one, I think not cutting hair is impractical especially
in colonial times when they did  not have the means to clean it as we did.
So I will do some research and see. I still find it hard to believe any 
women who followed certain preachers such as Wesley
did not cut hair. I will look at that passage. But also, you cannot always 
interpret the bible literally sometimes. Jeanette is right that some hair 
especially graying hair, does not look good. It is just a mass of thickness 
and isn't controlled. Therefore, I'd say that to be modest, one would 
actually need to cut hair.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:27 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Wesley brothers was R.C. Sproul's magazine and 
site

Did you read Paul's sayings about this, in 1 Corinthians 11?
Women didn't ever cut their hair, until the 1920's.
This was when "Bobbed Hair," became popular.
Blessings, Joshua

On 11/30/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> women did not cut their hair. Where is that fact from? Did Wesley really
> preach such a thing?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:57 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Wesley brothers was R.C. Sproul's magazine and
> site
>
> The Church of England, was Calvinist, (reformed.)
> The Wesleys taught holiness.
> Women didn't cut their hair, wear makeup, or pants.
> They still don't.
> As a matter of fact, I'll go into details, in an offlist E-mail.
> Fox and the Quakers taught similar things, but there was one disagreement.
> Fox was antimilitary, Wesley wasn't.
> I agree more with Wesley.
> BTW, I'm thankful for my military heritage.Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 11/30/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> If Luther was 1500s, then the Wesly brothers came after him. The 
>> Methodist
>> founding was not till 1739 in America.
>> So this chronology makes sense. You all said Wesleys were part of Church
>> of
>> England. I assume they have disagreements with the church and therefore
>> started their own religion.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:54 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Wesley brothers was R.C. Sproul's magazine and
>> site
>>
>> Luther was back in the 14, and 1500's.
>> He tried to reform the Roman Catholic Church, which led to the
>> Protestant Reformation.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 11/30/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> thanks for clarifying. I heard Charles Wesley wrote
>>> hymns. I didn't know he wrote one of my favorites: hark the harold angel
>>> sing. Good to know.
>>>
>>> Thanks for providing the website in your other email. I didn't know
>>> where I could find Wesley sermons.
>>>
>>> I hear reference to Church of England. Is that the church that Luther
>>> tried
>>> to "reform". Also, is the term Anglican the same as church of england?
>>> I am trying to get some terms straight.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:02 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>
>>> Wesley, and Fox both came out of the Church of England.
>>> The Wesley Brothers were like Paul and Cylass, in the Jail cell.
>>> John preached, and Charles, (his brother,) sang, and wrote hymns.
>>> Charles wrote, "Hark, the Herald Angels Sing."
>>> George Fox founded the Friends movement, (AKA the Quakers.)
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 11/30/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The Wesley family were all Anglican or members of the Church of 
>>>> England.
>>>> Paul
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:40 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> Do you mean John Wesley?
>>>> What does he have to do with George Fox?
>>>> You said you read Calvinist and Quaker preachers and then mention these
>>>> names.
>>>>
>>>> If we are talking about the same Wesley, he founded the Methodist
>>>> church,
>>>> but may have been Quaker; not sure.
>>>> His teachings do line up with scripture.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:46 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>>
>>>> Predestination is for the church, as a group, not individual
>>>> predestination.
>>>> I have read writings by both Calvinists, and Quaker preachers, (I came
>>>> out of the Quaker church.)
>>>> I find Wesley's beliefs supported with scripture, and in my oppinion,
>>>> Wesley, and George Fox line up more with scripture, than Calvin.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 11/28/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> gee joshua here we go again with you judging folks and telling us who
>>>>> is
>>>>> wrong and who is right, you are blessed that the folks on here who do
>>>>> not
>>>>> agree with you don't call your favorite teachers such things, once
>>>>> again
>>>>> you
>>>>> do not understand the calvinist teachings, you are taking one 
>>>>> scripture
>>>>> and
>>>>> trying to create doctrine out of it or listening to folks and taking
>>>>> their
>>>>> word for it, you need to read all scripture in context, once saved
>>>>> always
>>>>> saved is a very missunderstood doctrine as well, if a person is saved
>>>>> and
>>>>> back slides permanently then maybe they were never actually saved, and
>>>>> the
>>>>> idea of predestination is supported by just as many scriptures as your
>>>>> beliefs are supported by, so it is up to each of us as Christians who
>>>>> have
>>>>> the Holy Spirit dwelling is us to read, pray and listen to teachings
>>>>> and
>>>>> discern what we believ to be true, it is overwhelmingly irritating to
>>>>> have
>>>>> you a very very young person and a very very young Christian to sit
>>>>> here
>>>>> and
>>>>> tell us all what is true and what is not true, you are not the end all
>>>>> be
>>>>> all authority, and you just keep insulting folks and judging them 
>>>>> based
>>>>> on
>>>>> what you ahve been taught, others might think you are wrong and
>>>>> missinformed
>>>>> you know? be kind and gentle in spirit, you can share your beliefs but
>>>>> as
>>>>> has been said before on this list, quit telling us what is a fact 
>>>>> based
>>>>> on
>>>>> your own personal beliefs
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 4:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Calvin was a Frenchman, that taught many false teachings.
>>>>> Here's a quote from Calvin, that turns me away from his doctrine.
>>>>> "There are babies in Hell, the size of the span of a man's hand."
>>>>> He believed in predestination.
>>>>> Most of your baptist friends, (mainly those of Charles Stanley's
>>>>> persuasion,) believe in some form of predestination.
>>>>> One form is Unconditional Eternal Security, which, (if you were a
>>>>> Wesleyan Methodist,) you would have heard the phrase, Once Saved
>>>>> Always Saved.
>>>>> This means, no matter what you do, you can still go to Heaven if you
>>>>> were once saved.
>>>>> This means, that there's no such thing as a backslider.
>>>>> You can smoke, drink, fornicate, and do everything in the world, and
>>>>> still make Heaven, while you're in sin.
>>>>> Whatever happened to holiness, and separation?
>>>>> I miss old time Holiness, and Wesleyan preaching!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/28/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Jeannette,
>>>>>> Yes. When I heard him, he doesn't have a rambling style like some
>>>>>> bible
>>>>>> teachers.
>>>>>> He also backs up what he says with tons of scripture as well as the
>>>>>> historical
>>>>>> context. That is what is appealing. I also listen to other preachers
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Baptist faith and nondenominational ones as well on our Christian
>>>>>> radio
>>>>>> station. I like them for various reasons. People such as Charles
>>>>>> Stanley
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> David Jeremiah are just a few of them.
>>>>>> So he is a Calvinist. I didn't know that before this list; the radio
>>>>>> station
>>>>>> did not say, so I thought he might be nondenominational.
>>>>>> What does that mean? I know there was a guy named something Calvin
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Protestant reformation. But its been so long since I studied the
>>>>>> Middle
>>>>>> ages
>>>>>> and Renaissance that I forget what exactly Calvin did or what he
>>>>>> founded.
>>>>>> He
>>>>>> was British is what I recall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is this  monthly teaching on CD about? Is it free?
>>>>>> The website did have some articles from the magazine, but I don't
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> it’s
>>>>>> the full magazine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Jeanette
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:11 PM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have heard that the classes are accessable, if not i am sure they
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> work to see that they could be, R.C. Sproul is amazing, i get his
>>>>>> monthly
>>>>>> teaching on cd and enjoy it a lot, he is amazing and so knowledgable
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Bible, he is  of course a Calvinist, and all of his teachings are
>>>>>> backed
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> by tons and tons of scripture in context with historical info
>>>>>> included,
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> do get the monthly magazine which is easy to read with kurzweil.
>>>>>> ligonier.org is how i think it is spelled, let me go look.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To: "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:22 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeanette said in the magazine thread
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can also go on ligoneir.org to read the Tabletalk magazine by R.
>>>>>>> C.
>>>>>>> Sproul if he is your cup of tea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this is the wrong spelling as that site did not work. Anyone
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> his site? I was on it one time but forget its address; I linked from
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> website to his.
>>>>>>> He is good; I listen to his study broadcast called Renewing your
>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>> I don’t think the Tabletalk magazine is fully online; but better 
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> none. The articles are the current issue, but it’s a sampling of the
>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>> copy magazine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also has anyone taken his bible online classes? Are they accessible?
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> don’t
>>>>>>> have time to do it now, but might someday and was curious to know if
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> worked with screen readers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
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