[Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living

Fri Dec 2 23:29:17 UTC 2011

still legalism no matter hw you try to disguise it, other folks do not view 
those of us women who cut our hair and wear pants as not being Christians, 
this is another part of the stuff you have been fed that teaches you that it 
is all about the outer appearance of yourself that shows folks whether you 
are a Christian or not, i know plenty of folks who do not believe in 
anything who dress modestly by choice, who do not cuss, who do not drink or 
smoke,  wo do tons of volunteer work and are some of the most kind hearted 
folks you'll ever know, according  to you they are a better Christian 
thanothers who dress differently, this is ridiculous, legalism is something 
that i cannot in  abide, each of us is to serve the Lord, to love the Lord, 
and our dress may show others something, if we do dress in some of the 
current appauling clothing of today and profess to be Christians thenmaybe 
folks will deal with us as if we are hypocrits, but in general, i do not  by 
any means agree that we have to dress in a way that is not in style to a 
degree and wear our hari in ridiculously long fashion and not wear pants, 
how foolish, no more to be said on the matter, you are once again trying to 
shove your beliefs on us all, not happening
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living

Sister Jeanette:
Please understand this, and this is the last time I'm posting on this 
thread.
Romans 14:9 is a good principal to live by.
I'm not saying that you're appeasing the flesh, but most people that
throw that legalism word around, would rather appease the flesh,
instead of submit to the word of God, when it has been presented.
I'll explain Romans, 14:9.
"Let not your good, be evil spoken of."
What does this mean?
If we look at a modern translation, (say, NLT,) you get this.
"Don't let what you deem acceptable, be a stumbling block, to the
faith of others."
You may think, that it's acceptable for you to wear pants, but the
sinners have a different mindset of a Christian, and how a Christian
should look.
If that sinner sees you looking exactly as they do, it may be a
stumbling block to them.
I'll use music, for another example.
I personally don't find anything wrong, with listening to some Classic
Country music, but I got rid of it, and only listen to Christian
music, so that I wouldn't be a stumbling block to someone who thinks
that Christians shouldn't listen to it.
If it's a weakness for someone, we shouldn't feed that weakness.
Blessings, Joshua

On 12/2/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
> so you are acusing me of apeasing the flesh, you don't even know me and i 
> am
> a strong Christian and i am a modest person as well but i cut my hair and
> wear pants, you can appear to be anything you want on the outside you can
> pretend to be anything and  still be a fake no matter how you dress, it is
> idolatry in my opinion to worship how someone looks, you put a lot of 
> focus
> on how someone looks when the Bible tells us man judges the outside but 
> God
> judges the heart, i think if folks spent more time on learning to love 
> their
> neighbors as themselves, serving Jesus and others and humbling themselves
> there would be alot more folks come to Christ, i feel very strongly that 
> we
> need to take a stand in regard to modesty but this is ridiculous to focus 
> so
> much on hair, pants and such when we can dress modestly and be good
> Christian folks without the legalism that is pushing folks away from
> Christianity, rules and regulations are not a part of loving Christ, each 
> of
> us who are Christians and have the Holy Spirit in us can decide for
> ourselves how we should dress and how we should act and it is in the end
> between us and God anyway, what you think of how i dress or act  is not
> important anyway and how you dress i and act is not my business, but
> continuing to try to push your legalistic ideas on us is by no means a
> Christlike behavior, we are to love each other and encourage each other 
> and
> not put people under oppressive rules and regulations, i do nto by any 
> means
> support folks dressing immmodestly, my daughter does not, but i also do 
> not
> think that Jesus would have sat in judgement of  how someone dressed and
> pushed them away, He loved everyone as He does now, like i said, God 
> judges
> the inside not the outside and to say that you can't be a HOLy person if 
> you
> do not dress asw you and your particular preachers try to force us to 
> dress
> is foolishness andnot of Christ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living
>
>
> No, not at all!
> Read Romans, 12:1.
> How do we make our bodies living sacrifices unto God?
> When God gets on the inside, (holiness,) because without holiness, we
> can't see him, holiness will manifest on the outside.
> People that don't like this kind of preaching, want to appease the flesh.
> We aren't focusing on outward things, we're focusing on making our
> bodies a living sacrifice, so that God can be glorified in us.
> That's what holiness is all about.
> Blessings, Joshua.
>
>
> On 12/2/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> you know i read a devotional today from r.c. sproul talking about
>> idolatry,
>> i am thinking this whole obssession with hair andpants can be considered
>> idolatry, because rather than worshiping and focusing on God folks are
>> focused on outer things, partof legalism, also Charles Stanley's radio
>> message i listend to this morning was about folks worshiping and focusing
>> on
>> things rather than on Jesus, just a thought. jeanette
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living
>>
>>
>> Paul wrote it in 1 Corinthians, 11:1/15.
>> He told the women not to let a razor touch their head.
>> If a woman prays, or prophesies with her head uncovered, it's a shame,
>> but if a man covers his head, it's also a shame.
>> The covering, is the hair.
>> Paul says, it's a shame for a man to have long hair, but a woman
>> should have long hair.
>> This is the diference between the sexes.
>> Nowadays, people want to do away with the separation.
>> Now, there's a company that you can Google for yourself, that is
>> selling Men's dresses, and something they call a "Man Skirt."
>> All of this started, when women started to do these things, to try to
>> be like men, and get equality.
>> I believe women should be paid the same, and vote, own property, and
>> have all of the rights they have in America, (don't get me wrong,) but
>> God has certain things in his word, concerning dress,and appearance,
>> where men and women should remain separate.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 12/2/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Jeanette, it does talk about hair though. Someone told me that This book
>>> was
>>> a letter Paul wrote to the
>>> church of Corith.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jeanette
>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:55 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living
>>>
>>> paul was not one and you should always read scriptures in context,m ths
>>> is
>>> where we get all thisfalse doctrine when we take scriptures out of
>>> context
>>> and out of the times they were written in, legalism is great at that.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 9:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living
>>>
>>>
>>> Where Is Corinthians? New testament? I'll look up this scripture. But I
>>> feel
>>> I'll need to read all chapter 11 then. If not, scripture references are
>>> often taken out of context.
>>> This is basic. I know Jesus had 12 disciples. Was Paul one of them? I
>>> know
>>> Peter was one.
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:59 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living
>>>
>>> Actually:
>>> you know that in 1 Corinthians 11, that it says that your hair is your
>>> crowning glory.
>>> The apostle Paul taught this.
>>> BTW, Crystal's hair was as long as always, in 2008, when we heard her
>>> at the Grand Ole Opry.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 12/1/11, Amy Ragain <belovedconsecrated2god at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> you pointed out that Christal Gail didnt cut her hair but if you were a
>>>> true
>>>> fan of her's you convinently forgot to mention the fact that her
>>>> oridganal
>>>> reason for not cutting it had nothing to do with relidgous reasons. 
>>>> she
>>>> herself will even say that it was a prideful thing...her hair was 
>>>> viewed
>>>> as
>>>> her glory...and besides she eventually did cut it in the later 
>>>> days...is
>>>> it
>>>> still being modist to not cut your hair if you have so much pride in it
>>>> that
>>>> you refused to cut it??
>>>> and if we aren't supposed to cut our hair would you also tell us that 
>>>> we
>>>> must cover our heads also in order to remain modest??  where do you 
>>>> draw
>>>> the
>>>> line???
>>>> do you whare shorts in the summer time? some ppl would say you are 
>>>> being
>>>> imodest for doing so...how bout short sleeved shirts??   as I said,
>>>> where
>>>> do
>>>> you draw the line??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Interesting  what Joshua said in two threads. I’m combining them as I
>>>>> think hair/modesty is a separate thread from the mennonites or Wesley
>>>>> thread.
>>>>> I know the Bible teaches modesty but that can mean different things to
>>>>> different people. Also, most women follow cultural norms so we can 
>>>>> live
>>>>> in
>>>>> a secular society and make a living. So even if women didn’t wear
>>>>> pants,
>>>>> they do in the 21th century because its business casual, more
>>>>> comfortable
>>>>> than skirts or dresses, and of course much easier to put on and wash.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can understand the makeup and not wearing pantss, but not cutting
>>>>> hair
>>>>> is impractical.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else found the hair reference and know any women who don’t cut
>>>>> hair?
>>>>> Joshua said,
>>>>> “Women didn't ever cut their hair, until the 1920's.
>>>>> This was when "Bobbed Hair," became popular.”
>>>>>
>>>>> and then said
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> “The Church of England, was Calvinist, (reformed.)
>>>>> The Wesleys taught holiness.
>>>>> Women didn't cut their hair, wear makeup, or pants.
>>>>> They still don't.”
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t know anyone following Wesley who doesn’t cut hair. Yes I agree
>>>>> Wesly preached holiness and modesty. But not sure on the hair
>>>>> specifically.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To me modesty means things like not showing too much, not wearing tank
>>>>> tops, having nice manners, and being generous. I do wear some jewelry,
>>>>> but
>>>>> I don’t get too fancy; I don’t think I overdue it. just a solid 
>>>>> colored
>>>>> bracelet or earrings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
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