[Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living

[Jeanette]

modesty to me is covering the chest, my daughter does not wear the popular 
tops that show her tummy, she wears a shirt over anything with sleeveless 
and she does not wear short shorts, we lived on an island and she wore 
shorts there all of the time and many of the other homeschooled girls wore 
shorts and tank tops but they had a higher than usual neck and their shorts 
were not the short ones.
 amy is in color guard and thankfully her group does not wear the very 
revealing outfits that some f them do. i wear pants, shorts and dresses, i 
do not wear strapless stuff even in eveing wear andi never have even when i 
was younger, guess i have always been pretty modest, a swim sit to me 
sometimes is too little to wear.
 i do this because this is what i believe is good for myself and my family, 
i do not however think that i am to  judge folks for the way they dress, we 
had a preacher on the island whose daughter had a belly button ring and wore 
the most revealing two piece swim suits i have ever seen, they came from 
florida and it was kind of odd to us all, but i think this family was very 
liberal in their interpretation of the bible but i surely never judged them, 
i did not go to the particular church he was a  preacher at.
but againm, i think each of us have to judge what we believe is right for us 
and our family, like i said, i have friends and folks i know who dress very 
modestly and if you put them in a room of Christians you would never know by 
the way they dress and act that theya re not Christians because as the old 
saying goes, looks can be deceiving.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living


Jeanette,
So your kids dress modestly. Oh, that is certainly uncommon. Know wonder
they're criticized for not wearing latest fashions.
Kids love to shop for clothes and more clothes.  Anyway what is modest to
you?

I may not always agree with Joshua's interpretation, or anyone else's but
its good to know them and figure out
where you stand.  Yep, I'll read the bible more.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jeanette
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 7:02 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living

well i think the best thing to do if you want to learn about all of this is
to read the Bible, do some intense Bible studies and do research, my
complaint as i have said is the holier than though attidue that joshua has
taken on this list with his way is the only way and as he stated in his
earlier emails it sounds like he thinks if you do not live as he lives,
agree with his particular interpretation of the Bible you are not the great
Christian that he and his particular preachers are, this is  the deal, we
each through our love for Christ, our studying of the Bible and the Holy
Spirit living within us determine what we believe is the right way for us to
live, i agree with modesty, i have raised my children that way, we have
studied the Bible, go to church, and study many books about the Bible, i
feel that we do the best we can and grwo each day n our understanding of the
bible and the teache=ings of Christ, tha is all we can do, judging others
based ouon their outer appearance is exactly what we struggle with inour
society these days, my children have taken a lot of criticism about how they
do not wear the latest fashions and do not do all the same tings the others
kids do and they ave done this by choice, i cannot stand it when folks judge
others by dress, appearance, and such, it is not Biblical in myh opinion.
jeanette
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living


Jeanette,
I agree with you about volunteering, serving God, praying and loving
neighbors.
However, I do agree with modesty.

You said
"
"for instance all of this conversation that joshua is
having about dress and all his rules and regulations is very confusing to
folks who dont have the Bible knowledge that some others have, "

I agree. I was confused. That is why I wanted the scripture reference to
look at.
I only have basic knowledge of the bible. That is why I asked you all for
history books on the Bible, Christianity, reformation, mennonites, etc.
I want to learn more. The bible is so big. Over 60 books, right?
So it takes a lot to cover it all. Maybe I'll get through the bible with in
a year.

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Jeanette
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 6:34 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living

i am not saying that how we dress is idolatry, but in the way joshua is
shoving it at us, some of the folks who support this way of living are
making the dressissue a condition of your salvation and are also saying if
you do not support the way they think you should dress  then you are not a
Christian, ridiculous, of course we do not cover our head unless it is for
practical reasons, for instance all of this convversatin that joshua is
having about dress and all his rules and regulations is very confusing to
folks who do nt have the Bible knowledge that some others have, there are no
rules and regulations about hw you should dress, it is a personal choice, we
are to treat our bodies as living sacrafices to Christ, what that means to
you is between you and God, i think it is more important that folks do not
abuse their bodies by wweighing a hundred pounds more than they shoudl
because theyare causing themselves to run the risk of illnessews associted
with overweight, that to me is not honoring God in some instances, we are to
treat ourselves as if it is a temple to God,m all things  in the extreme
such as this legalistic idea we must all dress a ccertain way is nothing but
foolishness, we need to study our bibles, pray and serve God, and i take
offence that joshua is basically saying that if we do not dress as he and
his buddies think we should  that we are not holy enough for them and they
are somehow better Christians than you and i are because we cut our hair,
wear pants and do nt cover or heads, he is taking scriptures written two
thousand years ago in a culture different thanours and trying to make us
live by them, foolishness
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living


Jeanette,
No, caring about our body and making choices about hair and clothes is not
idolatry. Our bodies should exhibit
a Christ centered life.
Christian living is not just what we think internally; it is how we act.

That said, I am not one to follow everything written in the bible strictly.
Hair is one; I'm not covering my hair unless its for nonreligious reasons
such as a sun hat when its hot.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jeanette
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:52 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living

you know i read a devotional today from r.c. sproul talking about idolatry,
i am thinking this whole obssession with hair andpants can be considered
idolatry, because rather than worshiping and focusing on God folks are
focused on outer things, partof legalism, also Charles Stanley's radio
message i listend to this morning was about folks worshiping and focusing on
things rather than on Jesus, just a thought. jeanette
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living


Paul wrote it in 1 Corinthians, 11:1/15.
He told the women not to let a razor touch their head.
If a woman prays, or prophesies with her head uncovered, it's a shame,
but if a man covers his head, it's also a shame.
The covering, is the hair.
Paul says, it's a shame for a man to have long hair, but a woman
should have long hair.
This is the diference between the sexes.
Nowadays, people want to do away with the separation.
Now, there's a company that you can Google for yourself, that is
selling Men's dresses, and something they call a "Man Skirt."
All of this started, when women started to do these things, to try to
be like men, and get equality.
I believe women should be paid the same, and vote, own property, and
have all of the rights they have in America, (don't get me wrong,) but
God has certain things in his word, concerning dress,and appearance,
where men and women should remain separate.
Blessings, Joshua

On 12/2/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> Jeanette, it does talk about hair though. Someone told me that This book 
> was
> a letter Paul wrote to the
> church of Corith.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeanette
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:55 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living
>
> paul was not one and you should always read scriptures in context,m ths is
> where we get all thisfalse doctrine when we take scriptures out of context
> and out of the times they were written in, legalism is great at that.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living
>
>
> Where Is Corinthians? New testament? I'll look up this scripture. But I 
> feel
> I'll need to read all chapter 11 then. If not, scripture references are
> often taken out of context.
> This is basic. I know Jesus had 12 disciples. Was Paul one of them? I know
> Peter was one.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:59 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] hair, modesty and Christian living
>
> Actually:
> you know that in 1 Corinthians 11, that it says that your hair is your
> crowning glory.
> The apostle Paul taught this.
> BTW, Crystal's hair was as long as always, in 2008, when we heard her
> at the Grand Ole Opry.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 12/1/11, Amy Ragain <belovedconsecrated2god at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> you pointed out that Christal Gail didnt cut her hair but if you were a
>> true
>> fan of her's you convinently forgot to mention the fact that her 
>> oridganal
>> reason for not cutting it had nothing to do with relidgous reasons.  she
>> herself will even say that it was a prideful thing...her hair was viewed
>> as
>> her glory...and besides she eventually did cut it in the later days...is
>> it
>> still being modist to not cut your hair if you have so much pride in it
>> that
>> you refused to cut it??
>> and if we aren't supposed to cut our hair would you also tell us that we
>> must cover our heads also in order to remain modest??  where do you draw
>> the
>> line???
>> do you whare shorts in the summer time? some ppl would say you are being
>> imodest for doing so...how bout short sleeved shirts??   as I said, where
>> do
>> you draw the line??
>>
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Interesting  what Joshua said in two threads. I’m combining them as I
>>> think hair/modesty is a separate thread from the mennonites or Wesley
>>> thread.
>>> I know the Bible teaches modesty but that can mean different things to
>>> different people. Also, most women follow cultural norms so we can live
>>> in
>>> a secular society and make a living. So even if women didn’t wear pants,
>>> they do in the 21th century because its business casual, more 
>>> comfortable
>>> than skirts or dresses, and of course much easier to put on and wash.
>>>
>>> I can understand the makeup and not wearing pantss, but not cutting hair
>>> is impractical.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone else found the hair reference and know any women who don’t cut
>>> hair?
>>> Joshua said,
>>> “Women didn't ever cut their hair, until the 1920's.
>>> This was when "Bobbed Hair," became popular.”
>>>
>>> and then said
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “The Church of England, was Calvinist, (reformed.)
>>> The Wesleys taught holiness.
>>> Women didn't cut their hair, wear makeup, or pants.
>>> They still don't.”
>>>
>>> I don’t know anyone following Wesley who doesn’t cut hair. Yes I agree
>>> Wesly preached holiness and modesty. But not sure on the hair
>>> specifically.
>>>
>>>
>>> To me modesty means things like not showing too much, not wearing tank
>>> tops, having nice manners, and being generous. I do wear some jewelry,
>>> but
>>> I don’t get too fancy; I don’t think I overdue it. just a solid colored
>>> bracelet or earrings.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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