[Faith-talk] more truth

[Nikki]

    John,
By saying all that, you are asking for an argument to start.
That's just what I see happening.

-----Original Message----- 
From: John J. Boyer
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:33 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth

Kirt,

That is the spirit of interreligious dialog.

Now, to state my own beliefs. The correct interpretation of the Bible
and of the teachings of the early Church that didn't make it into the
New Testament is likely to be the interpretation of the Church Fathers.
They were much closer to the culture of the Bible than we are, and they
had resources that we don't.

I believe that the Catholic Church is the one Christian group that has
adhered most closely to the teaching of the Church Fathers. There has
never been a Great Apostasy in which the whole Church abandoned the
teachings. Therefore there cannot be a Restoration. Likewise, there was
never a Reformation. However, the Church did learn from the latter to
clean up its own house.

This is not intended as a polemic. It is a rather novice attempt at
interreligious dialog.

Peace, Love, Service,
John

On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:15:32PM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
> John,
>   Here, here!  But that doesn't mean we don't talk and learn from each
> other and have a constructive discussion.  I think it's ok to have a
> civilized debate so long as it doesn't turn into an argument...am I
> making any sense?  It's like saying "I respect you enough to tell you
> I disagree with you on this issue, but look at all this common ground
> we share!"  In other words, disagree agreeably.
>   Blessings,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/4/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
> > Argument is out of place in discussion of religion. The objective should
> > be to build tolerance, trust and understanding. There is a saying "Argue
> > with no true believer." That is amply illistrated by some of the
> > messages in this thread.
> >
> > Peace, Love, Service,
> > John
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:51:47PM -0500, Barbara Hammel wrote:
> >> Once upon a time this started out as a nice discussion comparing 
> >> different
> >> beliefs and asking others about why they believed what they did.
> >> Now, it seems to me, this conversation is turning into an argument that
> >> someone must win about whose beliefs are correct.
> >> Let???s please just take this back to a question/answer thing instead 
> >> of
> >> trying to convert.  Whether you believe in the Trinity or that the 
> >> three
> >> are one is a silly point to argue over as long as we all know that one
> >> must accept Christ as Lord and Savior and that one must repent and ask 
> >> to
> >> be forgiven in order to be called a child of God.
> >> This debate is almost as silly as whether one is a mid-tribulation,
> >> pre-tribulation or post-tribulation subscriber.
> >> If you???ve asked to be forgiven, and accepted Christ as Lord and 
> >> Savior
> >> of your life, the rest of these debates is just the devil trying to
> >> separate us.  And a house divided against itself cannot stand.
> >> Barbara
> >>
> >> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall 
> >> pay
> >> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, 
> >> oppose
> >> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of 
> >> liberty.--John
> >> F. Kennedy
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