[Faith-talk] more truth

[John J. Boyer]

I stated my beliefs. Interreligious doalog does not mean concealing 
one's own beloiefs but respecting and trying to understand the beliefs 
of others.

John

On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:05:02AM -0500, Nikki wrote:
>    John,
> By saying all that, you are asking for an argument to start.
> That's just what I see happening.
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: John J. Boyer
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:33 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
> 
> Kirt,
> 
> That is the spirit of interreligious dialog.
> 
> Now, to state my own beliefs. The correct interpretation of the Bible
> and of the teachings of the early Church that didn't make it into the
> New Testament is likely to be the interpretation of the Church Fathers.
> They were much closer to the culture of the Bible than we are, and they
> had resources that we don't.
> 
> I believe that the Catholic Church is the one Christian group that has
> adhered most closely to the teaching of the Church Fathers. There has
> never been a Great Apostasy in which the whole Church abandoned the
> teachings. Therefore there cannot be a Restoration. Likewise, there was
> never a Reformation. However, the Church did learn from the latter to
> clean up its own house.
> 
> This is not intended as a polemic. It is a rather novice attempt at
> interreligious dialog.
> 
> Peace, Love, Service,
> John
> 
> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:15:32PM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
> >John,
> >  Here, here!  But that doesn't mean we don't talk and learn from each
> >other and have a constructive discussion.  I think it's ok to have a
> >civilized debate so long as it doesn't turn into an argument...am I
> >making any sense?  It's like saying "I respect you enough to tell you
> >I disagree with you on this issue, but look at all this common ground
> >we share!"  In other words, disagree agreeably.
> >  Blessings,
> >Kirt
> >
> >On 6/4/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
> >> Argument is out of place in discussion of religion. The objective should
> >> be to build tolerance, trust and understanding. There is a saying "Argue
> >> with no true believer." That is amply illistrated by some of the
> >> messages in this thread.
> >>
> >> Peace, Love, Service,
> >> John
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:51:47PM -0500, Barbara Hammel wrote:
> >>> Once upon a time this started out as a nice discussion comparing 
> >>> different
> >>> beliefs and asking others about why they believed what they did.
> >>> Now, it seems to me, this conversation is turning into an argument that
> >>> someone must win about whose beliefs are correct.
> >>> Let???s please just take this back to a question/answer thing instead 
> >>> of
> >>> trying to convert.  Whether you believe in the Trinity or that the 
> >>> three
> >>> are one is a silly point to argue over as long as we all know that one
> >>> must accept Christ as Lord and Savior and that one must repent and ask 
> >>> to
> >>> be forgiven in order to be called a child of God.
> >>> This debate is almost as silly as whether one is a mid-tribulation,
> >>> pre-tribulation or post-tribulation subscriber.
> >>> If you???ve asked to be forgiven, and accepted Christ as Lord and 
> >>> Savior
> >>> of your life, the rest of these debates is just the devil trying to
> >>> separate us.  And a house divided against itself cannot stand.
> >>> Barbara
> >>>
> >>> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall 
> >>> pay
> >>> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, 
> >>> oppose
> >>> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of 
> >>> liberty.--John
> >>> F. Kennedy
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John J. Boyer, Executive Director
GodTouches Digital Ministry, Inc.
http://www.godtouches.org
Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Peace, Love, Service