[Faith-talk] more truth

Joshua Lester jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Sun Jun 5 07:51:53 UTC 2011 

Well, here's the deal.
The blood of Jesus remits the sin.
Notice, that remission doesn't come, until a person is baptized in
Jesus's name, (Acts, 2:38.)
If the blood isn't applied noone can make Heaven.
That's what the Bible says.
Blessings, Joshua

On 6/5/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
> Kirt,
>
> You are a good missionary for Jesus' attitudes. As I say on my website
> and in my signature, Peace, Love, Service. Let us begin with allo groups
> who claim to be Christian.
>
> Let us also not put limits on God's  mercy. Only He knows who will
> eventually end up in hell. Judge not, that you will not be judged. Do
> not condemn, and you will not be condemned.
>
> John
>
> On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:50:48AM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>> Joshua,
>>   Ok, but the way we procelyte makes all the difference in the world.
>> If we go in to it saying "I am right!  I am right and you're wrong
>> because your doctrine is false!", we're not really going to win anyone
>> over, are we?  I think a better way to do it, if you're going to
>> procelyte, is to say "I see all the good you have now.  Come talk to
>> me and we can add to it."  And, just because you don't "win everyone
>> over" doesn't mean you can't work with those people who don't accept
>> your doctrine to improve the world.  Some of my richest friendships
>> are with those who disagree with my particular understanding of
>> scripture.
>>   And, Joshua, you're right.  I don't like it either when people call
>> me "non-Christian", condemn me to hell, say I'm part of a "Satanic
>> cult because I don't believe in the trinity, the list goes on and on
>> forever what people can say.  I daresay we've probably had some of the
>> same insults thrown at us...cult!  Hericy!  Apostate!  Non-Christian!
>> Pagan!  (or, in your case, probably "monolatraist!"  It's not fair,
>> it's not right, it hurts.  But Christ says love your enemies, turn the
>> other cheak, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
>> I'd certainly hope people of all faiths would treat me with the love
>> and respect and dignity I feel my religion deserves, I'm sure you feel
>> the same, so shouldn't we treat all others the same way we'd hope they
>> would treat us?
>>   Warmly,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 6/5/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>> > I stated my beliefs. Interreligious doalog does not mean concealing
>> > one's own beloiefs but respecting and trying to understand the beliefs
>> > of others.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:05:02AM -0500, Nikki wrote:
>> >>    John,
>> >> By saying all that, you are asking for an argument to start.
>> >> That's just what I see happening.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: John J. Boyer
>> >> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:33 PM
>> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
>> >>
>> >> Kirt,
>> >>
>> >> That is the spirit of interreligious dialog.
>> >>
>> >> Now, to state my own beliefs. The correct interpretation of the Bible
>> >> and of the teachings of the early Church that didn't make it into the
>> >> New Testament is likely to be the interpretation of the Church Fathers.
>> >> They were much closer to the culture of the Bible than we are, and they
>> >> had resources that we don't.
>> >>
>> >> I believe that the Catholic Church is the one Christian group that has
>> >> adhered most closely to the teaching of the Church Fathers. There has
>> >> never been a Great Apostasy in which the whole Church abandoned the
>> >> teachings. Therefore there cannot be a Restoration. Likewise, there was
>> >> never a Reformation. However, the Church did learn from the latter to
>> >> clean up its own house.
>> >>
>> >> This is not intended as a polemic. It is a rather novice attempt at
>> >> interreligious dialog.
>> >>
>> >> Peace, Love, Service,
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:15:32PM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>> >> >John,
>> >> >  Here, here!  But that doesn't mean we don't talk and learn from each
>> >> >other and have a constructive discussion.  I think it's ok to have a
>> >> >civilized debate so long as it doesn't turn into an argument...am I
>> >> >making any sense?  It's like saying "I respect you enough to tell you
>> >> >I disagree with you on this issue, but look at all this common ground
>> >> >we share!"  In other words, disagree agreeably.
>> >> >  Blessings,
>> >> >Kirt
>> >> >
>> >> >On 6/4/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>> >> >> Argument is out of place in discussion of religion. The objective
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> be to build tolerance, trust and understanding. There is a saying
>> >> >> "Argue
>> >> >> with no true believer." That is amply illistrated by some of the
>> >> >> messages in this thread.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Peace, Love, Service,
>> >> >> John
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:51:47PM -0500, Barbara Hammel wrote:
>> >> >>> Once upon a time this started out as a nice discussion comparing
>> >> >>> different
>> >> >>> beliefs and asking others about why they believed what they did.
>> >> >>> Now, it seems to me, this conversation is turning into an argument
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>> someone must win about whose beliefs are correct.
>> >> >>> Let???s please just take this back to a question/answer thing
>> >> >>> instead
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> trying to convert.  Whether you believe in the Trinity or that the
>> >> >>> three
>> >> >>> are one is a silly point to argue over as long as we all know that
>> >> >>> one
>> >> >>> must accept Christ as Lord and Savior and that one must repent and
>> >> >>> ask
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> be forgiven in order to be called a child of God.
>> >> >>> This debate is almost as silly as whether one is a mid-tribulation,
>> >> >>> pre-tribulation or post-tribulation subscriber.
>> >> >>> If you???ve asked to be forgiven, and accepted Christ as Lord and
>> >> >>> Savior
>> >> >>> of your life, the rest of these debates is just the devil trying to
>> >> >>> separate us.  And a house divided against itself cannot stand.
>> >> >>> Barbara
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we
>> >> >>> shall
>> >> >>> pay
>> >> >>> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend,
>> >> >>> oppose
>> >> >>> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of
>> >> >>> liberty.--John
>> >> >>> F. Kennedy
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