[Faith-talk] more truth

Mon Jun 6 09:22:58 UTC 2011

Yes you do.
1 Peter, 3:21 says so.
Acts, 2:38, says so.
Also, why did Paul rebaptize the believers, in Acts, 19:5, if it
didn't matter how you were baptized?
Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
It's like this.
I'm a brother, a son, and a musician.
Brother, son and musician, are not my name, they just describe the
different roles I have.
God is the same way.
Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, etc, are
roles, or titles, but Jesus is the name.
Blessings, Joshua

On 6/5/11, Barbara Hammel <poetlori8 at msn.com> wrote:
> You do not have to be baptized to be saved.
> Baptism is just you way of showing the world that you've been washed by the
> blood and are a new creature.
> If you accep Christ as savior and never get baptized, you're not going to
> hell.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
> F. Kennedy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:51 AM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
>
> Well, here's the deal.
> The blood of Jesus remits the sin.
> Notice, that remission doesn't come, until a person is baptized in
> Jesus's name, (Acts, 2:38.)
> If the blood isn't applied noone can make Heaven.
> That's what the Bible says.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/5/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>> Kirt,
>>
>> You are a good missionary for Jesus' attitudes. As I say on my website
>> and in my signature, Peace, Love, Service. Let us begin with allo groups
>> who claim to be Christian.
>>
>> Let us also not put limits on God's  mercy. Only He knows who will
>> eventually end up in hell. Judge not, that you will not be judged. Do
>> not condemn, and you will not be condemned.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:50:48AM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>>   Ok, but the way we procelyte makes all the difference in the world.
>>> If we go in to it saying "I am right!  I am right and you're wrong
>>> because your doctrine is false!", we're not really going to win anyone
>>> over, are we?  I think a better way to do it, if you're going to
>>> procelyte, is to say "I see all the good you have now.  Come talk to
>>> me and we can add to it."  And, just because you don't "win everyone
>>> over" doesn't mean you can't work with those people who don't accept
>>> your doctrine to improve the world.  Some of my richest friendships
>>> are with those who disagree with my particular understanding of
>>> scripture.
>>>   And, Joshua, you're right.  I don't like it either when people call
>>> me "non-Christian", condemn me to hell, say I'm part of a "Satanic
>>> cult because I don't believe in the trinity, the list goes on and on
>>> forever what people can say.  I daresay we've probably had some of the
>>> same insults thrown at us...cult!  Hericy!  Apostate!  Non-Christian!
>>> Pagan!  (or, in your case, probably "monolatraist!"  It's not fair,
>>> it's not right, it hurts.  But Christ says love your enemies, turn the
>>> other cheak, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
>>> I'd certainly hope people of all faiths would treat me with the love
>>> and respect and dignity I feel my religion deserves, I'm sure you feel
>>> the same, so shouldn't we treat all others the same way we'd hope they
>>> would treat us?
>>>   Warmly,
>>> Kirt
>>>
>>> On 6/5/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>> > I stated my beliefs. Interreligious doalog does not mean concealing
>>> > one's own beloiefs but respecting and trying to understand the beliefs
>>> > of others.
>>> >
>>> > John
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:05:02AM -0500, Nikki wrote:
>>> >>    John,
>>> >> By saying all that, you are asking for an argument to start.
>>> >> That's just what I see happening.
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: John J. Boyer
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:33 PM
>>> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
>>> >>
>>> >> Kirt,
>>> >>
>>> >> That is the spirit of interreligious dialog.
>>> >>
>>> >> Now, to state my own beliefs. The correct interpretation of the Bible
>>> >> and of the teachings of the early Church that didn't make it into the
>>> >> New Testament is likely to be the interpretation of the Church
>>> >> Fathers.
>>> >> They were much closer to the culture of the Bible than we are, and
>>> >> they
>>> >> had resources that we don't.
>>> >>
>>> >> I believe that the Catholic Church is the one Christian group that has
>>> >> adhered most closely to the teaching of the Church Fathers. There has
>>> >> never been a Great Apostasy in which the whole Church abandoned the
>>> >> teachings. Therefore there cannot be a Restoration. Likewise, there
>>> >> was
>>> >> never a Reformation. However, the Church did learn from the latter to
>>> >> clean up its own house.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is not intended as a polemic. It is a rather novice attempt at
>>> >> interreligious dialog.
>>> >>
>>> >> Peace, Love, Service,
>>> >> John
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:15:32PM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>> >> >John,
>>> >> >  Here, here!  But that doesn't mean we don't talk and learn from
>>> >> > each
>>> >> >other and have a constructive discussion.  I think it's ok to have a
>>> >> >civilized debate so long as it doesn't turn into an argument...am I
>>> >> >making any sense?  It's like saying "I respect you enough to tell you
>>> >> >I disagree with you on this issue, but look at all this common ground
>>> >> >we share!"  In other words, disagree agreeably.
>>> >> >  Blessings,
>>> >> >Kirt
>>> >> >
>>> >> >On 6/4/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>> >> >> Argument is out of place in discussion of religion. The objective
>>> >> >> should
>>> >> >> be to build tolerance, trust and understanding. There is a saying
>>> >> >> "Argue
>>> >> >> with no true believer." That is amply illistrated by some of the
>>> >> >> messages in this thread.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Peace, Love, Service,
>>> >> >> John
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:51:47PM -0500, Barbara Hammel wrote:
>>> >> >>> Once upon a time this started out as a nice discussion comparing
>>> >> >>> different
>>> >> >>> beliefs and asking others about why they believed what they did.
>>> >> >>> Now, it seems to me, this conversation is turning into an argument
>>> >> >>> that
>>> >> >>> someone must win about whose beliefs are correct.
>>> >> >>> Let???s please just take this back to a question/answer thing
>>> >> >>> instead
>>> >> >>> of
>>> >> >>> trying to convert.  Whether you believe in the Trinity or that the
>>> >> >>> three
>>> >> >>> are one is a silly point to argue over as long as we all know that
>>> >> >>> one
>>> >> >>> must accept Christ as Lord and Savior and that one must repent and
>>> >> >>> ask
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>> be forgiven in order to be called a child of God.
>>> >> >>> This debate is almost as silly as whether one is a
>>> >> >>> mid-tribulation,
>>> >> >>> pre-tribulation or post-tribulation subscriber.
>>> >> >>> If you???ve asked to be forgiven, and accepted Christ as Lord and
>>> >> >>> Savior
>>> >> >>> of your life, the rest of these debates is just the devil trying
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>> separate us.  And a house divided against itself cannot stand.
>>> >> >>> Barbara
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we
>>> >> >>> shall
>>> >> >>> pay
>>> >> >>> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend,
>>> >> >>> oppose
>>> >> >>> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of
>>> >> >>> liberty.--John
>>> >> >>> F. Kennedy
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