[Faith-talk] more truth

Jeanette nettiecosp at yahoo.com
Mon Jun 6 10:18:53 UTC 2011 

so how do you explain the guy on the cross who Jesus told today you will be 
with me in paradise?  he was not baptized before he died
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth


> Yes you do.
> 1 Peter, 3:21 says so.
> Acts, 2:38, says so.
> Also, why did Paul rebaptize the believers, in Acts, 19:5, if it
> didn't matter how you were baptized?
> Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
> It's like this.
> I'm a brother, a son, and a musician.
> Brother, son and musician, are not my name, they just describe the
> different roles I have.
> God is the same way.
> Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, etc, are
> roles, or titles, but Jesus is the name.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/5/11, Barbara Hammel <poetlori8 at msn.com> wrote:
>> You do not have to be baptized to be saved.
>> Baptism is just you way of showing the world that you've been washed by 
>> the
>> blood and are a new creature.
>> If you accep Christ as savior and never get baptized, you're not going to
>> hell.
>> Barbara
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
>> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
>> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of 
>> liberty.--John
>> F. Kennedy
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:51 AM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
>>
>> Well, here's the deal.
>> The blood of Jesus remits the sin.
>> Notice, that remission doesn't come, until a person is baptized in
>> Jesus's name, (Acts, 2:38.)
>> If the blood isn't applied noone can make Heaven.
>> That's what the Bible says.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 6/5/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>> Kirt,
>>>
>>> You are a good missionary for Jesus' attitudes. As I say on my website
>>> and in my signature, Peace, Love, Service. Let us begin with allo groups
>>> who claim to be Christian.
>>>
>>> Let us also not put limits on God's  mercy. Only He knows who will
>>> eventually end up in hell. Judge not, that you will not be judged. Do
>>> not condemn, and you will not be condemned.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:50:48AM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>> Joshua,
>>>>   Ok, but the way we procelyte makes all the difference in the world.
>>>> If we go in to it saying "I am right!  I am right and you're wrong
>>>> because your doctrine is false!", we're not really going to win anyone
>>>> over, are we?  I think a better way to do it, if you're going to
>>>> procelyte, is to say "I see all the good you have now.  Come talk to
>>>> me and we can add to it."  And, just because you don't "win everyone
>>>> over" doesn't mean you can't work with those people who don't accept
>>>> your doctrine to improve the world.  Some of my richest friendships
>>>> are with those who disagree with my particular understanding of
>>>> scripture.
>>>>   And, Joshua, you're right.  I don't like it either when people call
>>>> me "non-Christian", condemn me to hell, say I'm part of a "Satanic
>>>> cult because I don't believe in the trinity, the list goes on and on
>>>> forever what people can say.  I daresay we've probably had some of the
>>>> same insults thrown at us...cult!  Hericy!  Apostate!  Non-Christian!
>>>> Pagan!  (or, in your case, probably "monolatraist!"  It's not fair,
>>>> it's not right, it hurts.  But Christ says love your enemies, turn the
>>>> other cheak, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
>>>> I'd certainly hope people of all faiths would treat me with the love
>>>> and respect and dignity I feel my religion deserves, I'm sure you feel
>>>> the same, so shouldn't we treat all others the same way we'd hope they
>>>> would treat us?
>>>>   Warmly,
>>>> Kirt
>>>>
>>>> On 6/5/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>> > I stated my beliefs. Interreligious doalog does not mean concealing
>>>> > one's own beloiefs but respecting and trying to understand the 
>>>> > beliefs
>>>> > of others.
>>>> >
>>>> > John
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:05:02AM -0500, Nikki wrote:
>>>> >>    John,
>>>> >> By saying all that, you are asking for an argument to start.
>>>> >> That's just what I see happening.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: John J. Boyer
>>>> >> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:33 PM
>>>> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Kirt,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That is the spirit of interreligious dialog.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Now, to state my own beliefs. The correct interpretation of the 
>>>> >> Bible
>>>> >> and of the teachings of the early Church that didn't make it into 
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> New Testament is likely to be the interpretation of the Church
>>>> >> Fathers.
>>>> >> They were much closer to the culture of the Bible than we are, and
>>>> >> they
>>>> >> had resources that we don't.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I believe that the Catholic Church is the one Christian group that 
>>>> >> has
>>>> >> adhered most closely to the teaching of the Church Fathers. There 
>>>> >> has
>>>> >> never been a Great Apostasy in which the whole Church abandoned the
>>>> >> teachings. Therefore there cannot be a Restoration. Likewise, there
>>>> >> was
>>>> >> never a Reformation. However, the Church did learn from the latter 
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> clean up its own house.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This is not intended as a polemic. It is a rather novice attempt at
>>>> >> interreligious dialog.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Peace, Love, Service,
>>>> >> John
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:15:32PM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>> >> >John,
>>>> >> >  Here, here!  But that doesn't mean we don't talk and learn from
>>>> >> > each
>>>> >> >other and have a constructive discussion.  I think it's ok to have 
>>>> >> >a
>>>> >> >civilized debate so long as it doesn't turn into an argument...am I
>>>> >> >making any sense?  It's like saying "I respect you enough to tell 
>>>> >> >you
>>>> >> >I disagree with you on this issue, but look at all this common 
>>>> >> >ground
>>>> >> >we share!"  In other words, disagree agreeably.
>>>> >> >  Blessings,
>>>> >> >Kirt
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >On 6/4/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>> >> >> Argument is out of place in discussion of religion. The objective
>>>> >> >> should
>>>> >> >> be to build tolerance, trust and understanding. There is a saying
>>>> >> >> "Argue
>>>> >> >> with no true believer." That is amply illistrated by some of the
>>>> >> >> messages in this thread.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Peace, Love, Service,
>>>> >> >> John
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:51:47PM -0500, Barbara Hammel wrote:
>>>> >> >>> Once upon a time this started out as a nice discussion comparing
>>>> >> >>> different
>>>> >> >>> beliefs and asking others about why they believed what they did.
>>>> >> >>> Now, it seems to me, this conversation is turning into an 
>>>> >> >>> argument
>>>> >> >>> that
>>>> >> >>> someone must win about whose beliefs are correct.
>>>> >> >>> Let???s please just take this back to a question/answer thing
>>>> >> >>> instead
>>>> >> >>> of
>>>> >> >>> trying to convert.  Whether you believe in the Trinity or that 
>>>> >> >>> the
>>>> >> >>> three
>>>> >> >>> are one is a silly point to argue over as long as we all know 
>>>> >> >>> that
>>>> >> >>> one
>>>> >> >>> must accept Christ as Lord and Savior and that one must repent 
>>>> >> >>> and
>>>> >> >>> ask
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> to
>>>> >> >>> be forgiven in order to be called a child of God.
>>>> >> >>> This debate is almost as silly as whether one is a
>>>> >> >>> mid-tribulation,
>>>> >> >>> pre-tribulation or post-tribulation subscriber.
>>>> >> >>> If you???ve asked to be forgiven, and accepted Christ as Lord 
>>>> >> >>> and
>>>> >> >>> Savior
>>>> >> >>> of your life, the rest of these debates is just the devil trying
>>>> >> >>> to
>>>> >> >>> separate us.  And a house divided against itself cannot stand.
>>>> >> >>> Barbara
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we
>>>> >> >>> shall
>>>> >> >>> pay
>>>> >> >>> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any 
>>>> >> >>> friend,
>>>> >> >>> oppose
>>>> >> >>> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of
>>>> >> >>> liberty.--John
>>>> >> >>> F. Kennedy
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>>>> >> >> --
>>>> >> >> John J. Boyer, Executive Director
>>>> >> >> GodTouches Digital Ministry, Inc.
>>>> >> >> http://www.godtouches.org
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>>>> >> >> Peace, Love, Service
>>>> >> >>
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