[Faith-talk] more truth

Mon Jun 6 11:47:44 UTC 2011

That was before the day of Pentecost.
After Pentecost, (the birth of the church,) this Acts 2:38, plan was
instated, and will remain the plan of salvation, until the rapture of
the church.
Also, remember what Jesus told Nicodemus, in John 3:5?
Also, read Romans, 6:4.
Blessings, Joshua

On 6/6/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
> so how do you explain the guy on the cross who Jesus told today you will be
> with me in paradise?  he was not baptized before he died
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 3:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
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>> Yes you do.
>> 1 Peter, 3:21 says so.
>> Acts, 2:38, says so.
>> Also, why did Paul rebaptize the believers, in Acts, 19:5, if it
>> didn't matter how you were baptized?
>> Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
>> It's like this.
>> I'm a brother, a son, and a musician.
>> Brother, son and musician, are not my name, they just describe the
>> different roles I have.
>> God is the same way.
>> Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, etc, are
>> roles, or titles, but Jesus is the name.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 6/5/11, Barbara Hammel <poetlori8 at msn.com> wrote:
>>> You do not have to be baptized to be saved.
>>> Baptism is just you way of showing the world that you've been washed by
>>> the
>>> blood and are a new creature.
>>> If you accep Christ as savior and never get baptized, you're not going to
>>> hell.
>>> Barbara
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
>>> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
>>> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of
>>> liberty.--John
>>> F. Kennedy
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:51 AM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
>>>
>>> Well, here's the deal.
>>> The blood of Jesus remits the sin.
>>> Notice, that remission doesn't come, until a person is baptized in
>>> Jesus's name, (Acts, 2:38.)
>>> If the blood isn't applied noone can make Heaven.
>>> That's what the Bible says.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 6/5/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>> Kirt,
>>>>
>>>> You are a good missionary for Jesus' attitudes. As I say on my website
>>>> and in my signature, Peace, Love, Service. Let us begin with allo groups
>>>> who claim to be Christian.
>>>>
>>>> Let us also not put limits on God's  mercy. Only He knows who will
>>>> eventually end up in hell. Judge not, that you will not be judged. Do
>>>> not condemn, and you will not be condemned.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:50:48AM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>>   Ok, but the way we procelyte makes all the difference in the world.
>>>>> If we go in to it saying "I am right!  I am right and you're wrong
>>>>> because your doctrine is false!", we're not really going to win anyone
>>>>> over, are we?  I think a better way to do it, if you're going to
>>>>> procelyte, is to say "I see all the good you have now.  Come talk to
>>>>> me and we can add to it."  And, just because you don't "win everyone
>>>>> over" doesn't mean you can't work with those people who don't accept
>>>>> your doctrine to improve the world.  Some of my richest friendships
>>>>> are with those who disagree with my particular understanding of
>>>>> scripture.
>>>>>   And, Joshua, you're right.  I don't like it either when people call
>>>>> me "non-Christian", condemn me to hell, say I'm part of a "Satanic
>>>>> cult because I don't believe in the trinity, the list goes on and on
>>>>> forever what people can say.  I daresay we've probably had some of the
>>>>> same insults thrown at us...cult!  Hericy!  Apostate!  Non-Christian!
>>>>> Pagan!  (or, in your case, probably "monolatraist!"  It's not fair,
>>>>> it's not right, it hurts.  But Christ says love your enemies, turn the
>>>>> other cheak, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
>>>>> I'd certainly hope people of all faiths would treat me with the love
>>>>> and respect and dignity I feel my religion deserves, I'm sure you feel
>>>>> the same, so shouldn't we treat all others the same way we'd hope they
>>>>> would treat us?
>>>>>   Warmly,
>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/5/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>>> > I stated my beliefs. Interreligious doalog does not mean concealing
>>>>> > one's own beloiefs but respecting and trying to understand the
>>>>> > beliefs
>>>>> > of others.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > John
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:05:02AM -0500, Nikki wrote:
>>>>> >>    John,
>>>>> >> By saying all that, you are asking for an argument to start.
>>>>> >> That's just what I see happening.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> From: John J. Boyer
>>>>> >> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:33 PM
>>>>> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] more truth
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Kirt,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> That is the spirit of interreligious dialog.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Now, to state my own beliefs. The correct interpretation of the
>>>>> >> Bible
>>>>> >> and of the teachings of the early Church that didn't make it into
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> New Testament is likely to be the interpretation of the Church
>>>>> >> Fathers.
>>>>> >> They were much closer to the culture of the Bible than we are, and
>>>>> >> they
>>>>> >> had resources that we don't.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I believe that the Catholic Church is the one Christian group that
>>>>> >> has
>>>>> >> adhered most closely to the teaching of the Church Fathers. There
>>>>> >> has
>>>>> >> never been a Great Apostasy in which the whole Church abandoned the
>>>>> >> teachings. Therefore there cannot be a Restoration. Likewise, there
>>>>> >> was
>>>>> >> never a Reformation. However, the Church did learn from the latter
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> clean up its own house.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> This is not intended as a polemic. It is a rather novice attempt at
>>>>> >> interreligious dialog.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Peace, Love, Service,
>>>>> >> John
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 09:15:32PM -0600, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>>>> >> >John,
>>>>> >> >  Here, here!  But that doesn't mean we don't talk and learn from
>>>>> >> > each
>>>>> >> >other and have a constructive discussion.  I think it's ok to have
>>>>> >> >a
>>>>> >> >civilized debate so long as it doesn't turn into an argument...am I
>>>>> >> >making any sense?  It's like saying "I respect you enough to tell
>>>>> >> >you
>>>>> >> >I disagree with you on this issue, but look at all this common
>>>>> >> >ground
>>>>> >> >we share!"  In other words, disagree agreeably.
>>>>> >> >  Blessings,
>>>>> >> >Kirt
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >On 6/4/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>>> >> >> Argument is out of place in discussion of religion. The objective
>>>>> >> >> should
>>>>> >> >> be to build tolerance, trust and understanding. There is a saying
>>>>> >> >> "Argue
>>>>> >> >> with no true believer." That is amply illistrated by some of the
>>>>> >> >> messages in this thread.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Peace, Love, Service,
>>>>> >> >> John
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 08:51:47PM -0500, Barbara Hammel wrote:
>>>>> >> >>> Once upon a time this started out as a nice discussion comparing
>>>>> >> >>> different
>>>>> >> >>> beliefs and asking others about why they believed what they did.
>>>>> >> >>> Now, it seems to me, this conversation is turning into an
>>>>> >> >>> argument
>>>>> >> >>> that
>>>>> >> >>> someone must win about whose beliefs are correct.
>>>>> >> >>> Let???s please just take this back to a question/answer thing
>>>>> >> >>> instead
>>>>> >> >>> of
>>>>> >> >>> trying to convert.  Whether you believe in the Trinity or that
>>>>> >> >>> the
>>>>> >> >>> three
>>>>> >> >>> are one is a silly point to argue over as long as we all know
>>>>> >> >>> that
>>>>> >> >>> one
>>>>> >> >>> must accept Christ as Lord and Savior and that one must repent
>>>>> >> >>> and
>>>>> >> >>> ask
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> to
>>>>> >> >>> be forgiven in order to be called a child of God.
>>>>> >> >>> This debate is almost as silly as whether one is a
>>>>> >> >>> mid-tribulation,
>>>>> >> >>> pre-tribulation or post-tribulation subscriber.
>>>>> >> >>> If you???ve asked to be forgiven, and accepted Christ as Lord
>>>>> >> >>> and
>>>>> >> >>> Savior
>>>>> >> >>> of your life, the rest of these debates is just the devil trying
>>>>> >> >>> to
>>>>> >> >>> separate us.  And a house divided against itself cannot stand.
>>>>> >> >>> Barbara
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we
>>>>> >> >>> shall
>>>>> >> >>> pay
>>>>> >> >>> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any
>>>>> >> >>> friend,
>>>>> >> >>> oppose
>>>>> >> >>> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of
>>>>> >> >>> liberty.--John
>>>>> >> >>> F. Kennedy
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>>>>> >> >> GodTouches Digital Ministry, Inc.
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