[Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues

Mon Jun 6 16:21:35 UTC 2011

Yeah you're right, it was way out of order and it's something she will
answer for in god's time.

Joshua I think that in Acts 2 the principle being talked about there is
xenoglossy. They were amazed because they could understand what was being
said in their native language and they understood that the speaker did not
normally speak in that language.

Please note that I will always use words like "I believe" or "I think" as
opposed to making a statement indicating that I am absolutely sure of what I
say. A lot of this stuff is a mystery and is not to be understood by us at
this time. I don't have a problem with being ignorant of things because I
know that I will know as I am known in the appointed time. 

Remember there is nothing wrong with debate.  The problems arise when we try
to usurp our beliefs over another. I believe in stating a point and moving
on. If someone doesn't believe as I do, nothing I say or nothing I present
subsequent to the initial statement or presentation is going to change a
person's position or belief.

I may firmly believe in something but does this mean I'm right? Sometimes it
does and sometimes it doesn't. One thing is for sure though, The Holy spirit
is not wrong and will lead us into all truth and knowledge but we must have
the desire and heart to seek after that truth.

One other thing and I must get back to work and earn my keep LOL.

Our testimonies will do more to teach than will our ideas and notions and
opinions.

We may argue with another's points of view but it's hard to argue with
testimony.

Later yall.

Peace and blessings

-----Original Message-----
From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:59 AM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues

It's all in the spirit, in which it is done.
If someone isn't used to it, it will scare them.
All I'm saying is, that the people were amazed, in Acts, 2, when the
people spoke in tongues.
That was how they knew.
You won't find that craziness, in an Apostolic church.
What that woman did, was out of order.
My pastor has preached on order in the church.
Blessings, Joshua

On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
> I might buy into the statement that speaking in tongues is evidence to
> oneself that one has the gift of tongues. I mean it's kind of hard to
argue
> with that logic. If one speaks in tongues then one definitely has the
> evidence before himself or herself. I don't believe that it is evidence to
> oneself that he or she is filled with the Holy spirit. I believe that a
> sense of peace and a sense of discernment, a sense of compassion, a desire
> to grow in god's word, etc, are evidence to oneself that one is filled
with
> the Holy Spirit.
>
> I will tell you this: my wife's daughter had never been in a Pentecostal
> church before. The first day she was in the church, someone prayed over
her,
> speaking in tongues. This did nothing to foster a belief in this
unbeliever.
> In fact, she no longer wants to go back to this church. It scared her and
> did nothing to bolster her belief in God.
>
> She thinks badly of the church now and the woman who prayed in tongues
over
> her did more damage than good.
>
> The woman was more impressed with her abilities and her gift than her
desire
> to bring this girl into a relationship with Christ Jesus. She failed to
use
> discernment and as a result, my step daughter believes less than she did
> when she entered the doors of the church.
>
> I believe that the woman who prayed in tongues over her used absolutely
bad
> judgment as she had already been warned that my step daughter was not used
> to the principle of speaking in tongues and that the principle and
practice
> would scare her.
>
> I was filled with the Holy Spirit in a church service back in early 2005.
I
> was in a praise and worship service and I was filled while I was on stage.
I
> know I was filled because something in my heart changed. I also felt drunk
> at the time and the whole service was, and still is, hazy in my mind. But,
> it was many months from then when I began to speak in tongues.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>
> Rex, the tongues, is the evidence, for the unbelievers.
> It is also, to let you know, that you've received it.
> Again, I'm not trying to start a debate.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>> Well for one I appreciate all the comments and the discussion. I do
> believe
>> that debate has its purposes. For instance, Paul debated with Agrippa and
> in
>> Acts 26:28, I think it is, Agrippa tells Paul that he has almost
convinced
>> him that Christianity is real. I think, however, that we need to be
> mindful
>> of Proverbs 26:4-5 which tells us how to handle debate. We should not
> debate
>> simply for the purpose of trying to exercise our beliefs over another.
The
>> scriptures tell us to answer a fool according to his folly lest he become
>> wise in his own conceit and the scripture also tells us not to answer a
> fool
>> according to his folly lest we become just like him.
>>
>> I'm not calling anyone a fool.
>>
>> It is clear that we are going to differ on opinions. Does this make one
>> right and the other wrong? No, I don't believe so.
>>
>> What I do believe though is that if we present a united front, we will
win
>> more people to Christ than we will if we operate in dissention and
> division.
>>
>> Is my salvation based on whether I believe in the trinity or not?
> Absolutely
>> not. Is my salvation guaranteed on the basis of whether I believe in
>> speaking in tongues or not? Absolutely not.
>>
>> Is my salvation based on my belief in Christ Jesus and His atonement for
> my
>> sins. You better believe it.
>>
>> We say that we don't support a principle if it is not clearly spelled out
> in
>> the Bible. The world glosalalia is not written in the word. It is derived
>> from two words and was first used by Frederick William Farar in 1879.
Does
>> this mean that speaking in tongues has no merit? I don't believe this is
> the
>> case.
>>
>> I will ask one question here.
>>
>> We read that speaking in tongues is evidence of being filled with the
Holy
>> Spirit. Evidence to whom? Does God need evidence that we are filled with
> the
>> Holy Spirit? I think God already knows that. So, who is the evidence for?
> If
>> we are not to be respecter of persons then who is the evidence for?
>>
>> I believe that speaking in tongues is a gift. I also believe that there
is
> a
>> difference between speaking in tongues and speaking in an unknown
> language.
>> Do I believe that a person who does not speak in tongues is not filled
> with
>> the Holy Spirit? No, I don't believe that. I believe that some may not
> have
>> the gift of tongues and are filled with the Holy Spirit. Could I be
wrong?
>> Possibly. Could I be right? Possibly. Will I know the answer to these
>> questions when I see through a glass clearly. Yep.
>>
>> Peace and blessings!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:40 AM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>
>> Thank you Nikki.
>> I hope what I've said, doesn't come across, the way Ms Mentink, says it
>> does.
>> That's not the spirit I want to display.
>> I just believe, that if Kirt has the right to put his T I video, on
>> the list, this message should be allowed, as well.
>> I love everyone, on this list.
>> May God bless everyone of you, and remember, you can't lose for
>> winning, when God is on your side.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 6/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>     I have a voice and wish to be heard.
>>> Joshua, I believe, is merely informing, educating.
>>> When has he told you he has the only Truth?
>>> The Truth is in the Holy Bible and if you can't accept it, it's your own
>>> fault.
>>> Joshua gives Bible verses to prove a point, that's the way I see things
>>> here.
>>> I came on the list two months ago, looking for answers, but all that was
>>> here was argument and debate.
>>> I'm sorry, sounds a bit childish to me.
>>> I'm ready to unsubscribe if things don't lighten up.
>>> God bless you all.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alan Wheeler
>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:25 AM
>>> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>
>>> I second this, Linda.
>>> Joshua, please stop talking as though you, and only you know the whole
>>> truth. It really isn't conducive to peaceful, productive discussion on
>> this
>>> list.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:00 AM
>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>
>>> I don't have time to read all the messages that have come in.
>>> However, in first Corinthians 13 Paul says that toungues shall cease.
>>> Somewhere, maybe there, he said it is better to seek the greater gifts,
> or
>>> something like that. And, since they're gifts of the Spirit, they're
> given
>>> to us by God.
>>>
>>> Joshua, you have a hard time listening to others. Please stop trying to
>>> press your points. You think, or you come across like you think, that
>> you're
>>> the only one here who has the whole truth. I say again, please stop.
>>>
>>> Gotta go!
>>>
>>> Blessings,
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>>
>>>
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