[Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues

Mon Jun 6 16:26:39 UTC 2011

I appreciate your spirit, Brother Rex.
You aren't like the AG pastor, I had.
When I accepted this oneness belief, he yelled at me, and told me that
I wasn't saved.
I wish your spirit would rub off, on that preacher.
Blessings, Joshua

On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah you're right, it was way out of order and it's something she will
> answer for in god's time.
>
> Joshua I think that in Acts 2 the principle being talked about there is
> xenoglossy. They were amazed because they could understand what was being
> said in their native language and they understood that the speaker did not
> normally speak in that language.
>
> Please note that I will always use words like "I believe" or "I think" as
> opposed to making a statement indicating that I am absolutely sure of what I
> say. A lot of this stuff is a mystery and is not to be understood by us at
> this time. I don't have a problem with being ignorant of things because I
> know that I will know as I am known in the appointed time.
>
> Remember there is nothing wrong with debate.  The problems arise when we try
> to usurp our beliefs over another. I believe in stating a point and moving
> on. If someone doesn't believe as I do, nothing I say or nothing I present
> subsequent to the initial statement or presentation is going to change a
> person's position or belief.
>
> I may firmly believe in something but does this mean I'm right? Sometimes it
> does and sometimes it doesn't. One thing is for sure though, The Holy spirit
> is not wrong and will lead us into all truth and knowledge but we must have
> the desire and heart to seek after that truth.
>
> One other thing and I must get back to work and earn my keep LOL.
>
> Our testimonies will do more to teach than will our ideas and notions and
> opinions.
>
> We may argue with another's points of view but it's hard to argue with
> testimony.
>
> Later yall.
>
> Peace and blessings
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:59 AM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>
> It's all in the spirit, in which it is done.
> If someone isn't used to it, it will scare them.
> All I'm saying is, that the people were amazed, in Acts, 2, when the
> people spoke in tongues.
> That was how they knew.
> You won't find that craziness, in an Apostolic church.
> What that woman did, was out of order.
> My pastor has preached on order in the church.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>> I might buy into the statement that speaking in tongues is evidence to
>> oneself that one has the gift of tongues. I mean it's kind of hard to
> argue
>> with that logic. If one speaks in tongues then one definitely has the
>> evidence before himself or herself. I don't believe that it is evidence to
>> oneself that he or she is filled with the Holy spirit. I believe that a
>> sense of peace and a sense of discernment, a sense of compassion, a desire
>> to grow in god's word, etc, are evidence to oneself that one is filled
> with
>> the Holy Spirit.
>>
>> I will tell you this: my wife's daughter had never been in a Pentecostal
>> church before. The first day she was in the church, someone prayed over
> her,
>> speaking in tongues. This did nothing to foster a belief in this
> unbeliever.
>> In fact, she no longer wants to go back to this church. It scared her and
>> did nothing to bolster her belief in God.
>>
>> She thinks badly of the church now and the woman who prayed in tongues
> over
>> her did more damage than good.
>>
>> The woman was more impressed with her abilities and her gift than her
> desire
>> to bring this girl into a relationship with Christ Jesus. She failed to
> use
>> discernment and as a result, my step daughter believes less than she did
>> when she entered the doors of the church.
>>
>> I believe that the woman who prayed in tongues over her used absolutely
> bad
>> judgment as she had already been warned that my step daughter was not used
>> to the principle of speaking in tongues and that the principle and
> practice
>> would scare her.
>>
>> I was filled with the Holy Spirit in a church service back in early 2005.
> I
>> was in a praise and worship service and I was filled while I was on stage.
> I
>> know I was filled because something in my heart changed. I also felt drunk
>> at the time and the whole service was, and still is, hazy in my mind. But,
>> it was many months from then when I began to speak in tongues.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>
>> Rex, the tongues, is the evidence, for the unbelievers.
>> It is also, to let you know, that you've received it.
>> Again, I'm not trying to start a debate.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>> Well for one I appreciate all the comments and the discussion. I do
>> believe
>>> that debate has its purposes. For instance, Paul debated with Agrippa and
>> in
>>> Acts 26:28, I think it is, Agrippa tells Paul that he has almost
> convinced
>>> him that Christianity is real. I think, however, that we need to be
>> mindful
>>> of Proverbs 26:4-5 which tells us how to handle debate. We should not
>> debate
>>> simply for the purpose of trying to exercise our beliefs over another.
> The
>>> scriptures tell us to answer a fool according to his folly lest he become
>>> wise in his own conceit and the scripture also tells us not to answer a
>> fool
>>> according to his folly lest we become just like him.
>>>
>>> I'm not calling anyone a fool.
>>>
>>> It is clear that we are going to differ on opinions. Does this make one
>>> right and the other wrong? No, I don't believe so.
>>>
>>> What I do believe though is that if we present a united front, we will
> win
>>> more people to Christ than we will if we operate in dissention and
>> division.
>>>
>>> Is my salvation based on whether I believe in the trinity or not?
>> Absolutely
>>> not. Is my salvation guaranteed on the basis of whether I believe in
>>> speaking in tongues or not? Absolutely not.
>>>
>>> Is my salvation based on my belief in Christ Jesus and His atonement for
>> my
>>> sins. You better believe it.
>>>
>>> We say that we don't support a principle if it is not clearly spelled out
>> in
>>> the Bible. The world glosalalia is not written in the word. It is derived
>>> from two words and was first used by Frederick William Farar in 1879.
> Does
>>> this mean that speaking in tongues has no merit? I don't believe this is
>> the
>>> case.
>>>
>>> I will ask one question here.
>>>
>>> We read that speaking in tongues is evidence of being filled with the
> Holy
>>> Spirit. Evidence to whom? Does God need evidence that we are filled with
>> the
>>> Holy Spirit? I think God already knows that. So, who is the evidence for?
>> If
>>> we are not to be respecter of persons then who is the evidence for?
>>>
>>> I believe that speaking in tongues is a gift. I also believe that there
> is
>> a
>>> difference between speaking in tongues and speaking in an unknown
>> language.
>>> Do I believe that a person who does not speak in tongues is not filled
>> with
>>> the Holy Spirit? No, I don't believe that. I believe that some may not
>> have
>>> the gift of tongues and are filled with the Holy Spirit. Could I be
> wrong?
>>> Possibly. Could I be right? Possibly. Will I know the answer to these
>>> questions when I see through a glass clearly. Yep.
>>>
>>> Peace and blessings!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:40 AM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>
>>> Thank you Nikki.
>>> I hope what I've said, doesn't come across, the way Ms Mentink, says it
>>> does.
>>> That's not the spirit I want to display.
>>> I just believe, that if Kirt has the right to put his T I video, on
>>> the list, this message should be allowed, as well.
>>> I love everyone, on this list.
>>> May God bless everyone of you, and remember, you can't lose for
>>> winning, when God is on your side.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 6/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>     I have a voice and wish to be heard.
>>>> Joshua, I believe, is merely informing, educating.
>>>> When has he told you he has the only Truth?
>>>> The Truth is in the Holy Bible and if you can't accept it, it's your own
>>>> fault.
>>>> Joshua gives Bible verses to prove a point, that's the way I see things
>>>> here.
>>>> I came on the list two months ago, looking for answers, but all that was
>>>> here was argument and debate.
>>>> I'm sorry, sounds a bit childish to me.
>>>> I'm ready to unsubscribe if things don't lighten up.
>>>> God bless you all.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alan Wheeler
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:25 AM
>>>> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>
>>>> I second this, Linda.
>>>> Joshua, please stop talking as though you, and only you know the whole
>>>> truth. It really isn't conducive to peaceful, productive discussion on
>>> this
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:00 AM
>>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>
>>>> I don't have time to read all the messages that have come in.
>>>> However, in first Corinthians 13 Paul says that toungues shall cease.
>>>> Somewhere, maybe there, he said it is better to seek the greater gifts,
>> or
>>>> something like that. And, since they're gifts of the Spirit, they're
>> given
>>>> to us by God.
>>>>
>>>> Joshua, you have a hard time listening to others. Please stop trying to
>>>> press your points. You think, or you come across like you think, that
>>> you're
>>>> the only one here who has the whole truth. I say again, please stop.
>>>>
>>>> Gotta go!
>>>>
>>>> Blessings,
>>>>
>>>> Linda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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