[Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues

[Nikki]

    the devil is at work here

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:45 AM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues

On a thread you posted, you had a T I video, ("No Mercy.)"
T I, is in a prison, in Forest City, Arkansas, (yes,) my state.
Why should we house a drug addicted gangster rapper, convicted of
illegal possession, of guns, when he was arrested in CA?
I know, we're off topic, here, but It's awfull, that someone would
post a video, by a convicted rapper, on this list.
I know, who the moderators are, and I'm not trying to do their job,
but I was offended by that video.
Thanks, Joshua

On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
>   That came through as a T I video?  Really?  That's not the link I
> put up...to my understanding, the link I put up was to one of my
> favorite religious artists, a Muslim man by the name of Dawud Wharnsby
> who sang a fantastic song about opening our minds and hearts up to
> others.  Is that not the video that came through?
>
> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>> Hey Joshua, I used to have the opinion that I was right and everyone else
>> just didn't understand the bible the way that I did. Hahaha. What a 
>> laugh.
>> God humbled me in a hard way and thank you Jesus my life has not been the
>> same sense.
>>
>> I'm sorry someone would say that to you. In my opinion, that's messed up.
>>
>> God must love me an awful lot, he chastises me quite a bit and He says He
>> chastises those He loves. Sometimes I wish He didn't love me quite as 
>> much
>> as He does.
>>
>> Just kidding. There's nothing in this world equal to God's love.
>>
>> Okay, gotta go for real this time. Perhaps I can catch up tomorrow or
>> later
>> today.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:27 AM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>
>> I appreciate your spirit, Brother Rex.
>> You aren't like the AG pastor, I had.
>> When I accepted this oneness belief, he yelled at me, and told me that
>> I wasn't saved.
>> I wish your spirit would rub off, on that preacher.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah you're right, it was way out of order and it's something she will
>>> answer for in god's time.
>>>
>>> Joshua I think that in Acts 2 the principle being talked about there is
>>> xenoglossy. They were amazed because they could understand what was 
>>> being
>>> said in their native language and they understood that the speaker did
>>> not
>>> normally speak in that language.
>>>
>>> Please note that I will always use words like "I believe" or "I think" 
>>> as
>>> opposed to making a statement indicating that I am absolutely sure of
>>> what
>> I
>>> say. A lot of this stuff is a mystery and is not to be understood by us
>>> at
>>> this time. I don't have a problem with being ignorant of things because 
>>> I
>>> know that I will know as I am known in the appointed time.
>>>
>>> Remember there is nothing wrong with debate.  The problems arise when we
>> try
>>> to usurp our beliefs over another. I believe in stating a point and
>>> moving
>>> on. If someone doesn't believe as I do, nothing I say or nothing I
>>> present
>>> subsequent to the initial statement or presentation is going to change a
>>> person's position or belief.
>>>
>>> I may firmly believe in something but does this mean I'm right? 
>>> Sometimes
>> it
>>> does and sometimes it doesn't. One thing is for sure though, The Holy
>> spirit
>>> is not wrong and will lead us into all truth and knowledge but we must
>> have
>>> the desire and heart to seek after that truth.
>>>
>>> One other thing and I must get back to work and earn my keep LOL.
>>>
>>> Our testimonies will do more to teach than will our ideas and notions 
>>> and
>>> opinions.
>>>
>>> We may argue with another's points of view but it's hard to argue with
>>> testimony.
>>>
>>> Later yall.
>>>
>>> Peace and blessings
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:59 AM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>
>>> It's all in the spirit, in which it is done.
>>> If someone isn't used to it, it will scare them.
>>> All I'm saying is, that the people were amazed, in Acts, 2, when the
>>> people spoke in tongues.
>>> That was how they knew.
>>> You won't find that craziness, in an Apostolic church.
>>> What that woman did, was out of order.
>>> My pastor has preached on order in the church.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>> I might buy into the statement that speaking in tongues is evidence to
>>>> oneself that one has the gift of tongues. I mean it's kind of hard to
>>> argue
>>>> with that logic. If one speaks in tongues then one definitely has the
>>>> evidence before himself or herself. I don't believe that it is evidence
>> to
>>>> oneself that he or she is filled with the Holy spirit. I believe that a
>>>> sense of peace and a sense of discernment, a sense of compassion, a
>> desire
>>>> to grow in god's word, etc, are evidence to oneself that one is filled
>>> with
>>>> the Holy Spirit.
>>>>
>>>> I will tell you this: my wife's daughter had never been in a 
>>>> Pentecostal
>>>> church before. The first day she was in the church, someone prayed over
>>> her,
>>>> speaking in tongues. This did nothing to foster a belief in this
>>> unbeliever.
>>>> In fact, she no longer wants to go back to this church. It scared her
>>>> and
>>>> did nothing to bolster her belief in God.
>>>>
>>>> She thinks badly of the church now and the woman who prayed in tongues
>>> over
>>>> her did more damage than good.
>>>>
>>>> The woman was more impressed with her abilities and her gift than her
>>> desire
>>>> to bring this girl into a relationship with Christ Jesus. She failed to
>>> use
>>>> discernment and as a result, my step daughter believes less than she 
>>>> did
>>>> when she entered the doors of the church.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that the woman who prayed in tongues over her used absolutely
>>> bad
>>>> judgment as she had already been warned that my step daughter was not
>> used
>>>> to the principle of speaking in tongues and that the principle and
>>> practice
>>>> would scare her.
>>>>
>>>> I was filled with the Holy Spirit in a church service back in early
>>>> 2005.
>>> I
>>>> was in a praise and worship service and I was filled while I was on
>> stage.
>>> I
>>>> know I was filled because something in my heart changed. I also felt
>> drunk
>>>> at the time and the whole service was, and still is, hazy in my mind.
>> But,
>>>> it was many months from then when I began to speak in tongues.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>
>>>> Rex, the tongues, is the evidence, for the unbelievers.
>>>> It is also, to let you know, that you've received it.
>>>> Again, I'm not trying to start a debate.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>> Well for one I appreciate all the comments and the discussion. I do
>>>> believe
>>>>> that debate has its purposes. For instance, Paul debated with Agrippa
>> and
>>>> in
>>>>> Acts 26:28, I think it is, Agrippa tells Paul that he has almost
>>> convinced
>>>>> him that Christianity is real. I think, however, that we need to be
>>>> mindful
>>>>> of Proverbs 26:4-5 which tells us how to handle debate. We should not
>>>> debate
>>>>> simply for the purpose of trying to exercise our beliefs over another.
>>> The
>>>>> scriptures tell us to answer a fool according to his folly lest he
>> become
>>>>> wise in his own conceit and the scripture also tells us not to answer 
>>>>> a
>>>> fool
>>>>> according to his folly lest we become just like him.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not calling anyone a fool.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is clear that we are going to differ on opinions. Does this make 
>>>>> one
>>>>> right and the other wrong? No, I don't believe so.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I do believe though is that if we present a united front, we will
>>> win
>>>>> more people to Christ than we will if we operate in dissention and
>>>> division.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is my salvation based on whether I believe in the trinity or not?
>>>> Absolutely
>>>>> not. Is my salvation guaranteed on the basis of whether I believe in
>>>>> speaking in tongues or not? Absolutely not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is my salvation based on my belief in Christ Jesus and His atonement
>>>>> for
>>>> my
>>>>> sins. You better believe it.
>>>>>
>>>>> We say that we don't support a principle if it is not clearly spelled
>> out
>>>> in
>>>>> the Bible. The world glosalalia is not written in the word. It is
>> derived
>>>>> from two words and was first used by Frederick William Farar in 1879.
>>> Does
>>>>> this mean that speaking in tongues has no merit? I don't believe this
>>>>> is
>>>> the
>>>>> case.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will ask one question here.
>>>>>
>>>>> We read that speaking in tongues is evidence of being filled with the
>>> Holy
>>>>> Spirit. Evidence to whom? Does God need evidence that we are filled
>>>>> with
>>>> the
>>>>> Holy Spirit? I think God already knows that. So, who is the evidence
>> for?
>>>> If
>>>>> we are not to be respecter of persons then who is the evidence for?
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that speaking in tongues is a gift. I also believe that 
>>>>> there
>>> is
>>>> a
>>>>> difference between speaking in tongues and speaking in an unknown
>>>> language.
>>>>> Do I believe that a person who does not speak in tongues is not filled
>>>> with
>>>>> the Holy Spirit? No, I don't believe that. I believe that some may not
>>>> have
>>>>> the gift of tongues and are filled with the Holy Spirit. Could I be
>>> wrong?
>>>>> Possibly. Could I be right? Possibly. Will I know the answer to these
>>>>> questions when I see through a glass clearly. Yep.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peace and blessings!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:40 AM
>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Nikki.
>>>>> I hope what I've said, doesn't come across, the way Ms Mentink, says 
>>>>> it
>>>>> does.
>>>>> That's not the spirit I want to display.
>>>>> I just believe, that if Kirt has the right to put his T I video, on
>>>>> the list, this message should be allowed, as well.
>>>>> I love everyone, on this list.
>>>>> May God bless everyone of you, and remember, you can't lose for
>>>>> winning, when God is on your side.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>     I have a voice and wish to be heard.
>>>>>> Joshua, I believe, is merely informing, educating.
>>>>>> When has he told you he has the only Truth?
>>>>>> The Truth is in the Holy Bible and if you can't accept it, it's your
>> own
>>>>>> fault.
>>>>>> Joshua gives Bible verses to prove a point, that's the way I see
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>> I came on the list two months ago, looking for answers, but all that
>> was
>>>>>> here was argument and debate.
>>>>>> I'm sorry, sounds a bit childish to me.
>>>>>> I'm ready to unsubscribe if things don't lighten up.
>>>>>> God bless you all.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Alan Wheeler
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:25 AM
>>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I second this, Linda.
>>>>>> Joshua, please stop talking as though you, and only you know the 
>>>>>> whole
>>>>>> truth. It really isn't conducive to peaceful, productive discussion 
>>>>>> on
>>>>> this
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:00 AM
>>>>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have time to read all the messages that have come in.
>>>>>> However, in first Corinthians 13 Paul says that toungues shall cease.
>>>>>> Somewhere, maybe there, he said it is better to seek the greater
>>>>>> gifts,
>>>> or
>>>>>> something like that. And, since they're gifts of the Spirit, they're
>>>> given
>>>>>> to us by God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joshua, you have a hard time listening to others. Please stop trying
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> press your points. You think, or you come across like you think, that
>>>>> you're
>>>>>> the only one here who has the whole truth. I say again, please stop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gotta go!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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