[Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues

[Joshua Lester]

Amen.
I rebuke it, in Jesus name!
Let's move this discussion off list.
Blessings, Joshua

On 6/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>     the devil is at work here
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:45 AM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>
> On a thread you posted, you had a T I video, ("No Mercy.)"
> T I, is in a prison, in Forest City, Arkansas, (yes,) my state.
> Why should we house a drug addicted gangster rapper, convicted of
> illegal possession, of guns, when he was arrested in CA?
> I know, we're off topic, here, but It's awfull, that someone would
> post a video, by a convicted rapper, on this list.
> I know, who the moderators are, and I'm not trying to do their job,
> but I was offended by that video.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>>   That came through as a T I video?  Really?  That's not the link I
>> put up...to my understanding, the link I put up was to one of my
>> favorite religious artists, a Muslim man by the name of Dawud Wharnsby
>> who sang a fantastic song about opening our minds and hearts up to
>> others.  Is that not the video that came through?
>>
>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Joshua, I used to have the opinion that I was right and everyone else
>>> just didn't understand the bible the way that I did. Hahaha. What a
>>> laugh.
>>> God humbled me in a hard way and thank you Jesus my life has not been the
>>> same sense.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry someone would say that to you. In my opinion, that's messed up.
>>>
>>> God must love me an awful lot, he chastises me quite a bit and He says He
>>> chastises those He loves. Sometimes I wish He didn't love me quite as
>>> much
>>> as He does.
>>>
>>> Just kidding. There's nothing in this world equal to God's love.
>>>
>>> Okay, gotta go for real this time. Perhaps I can catch up tomorrow or
>>> later
>>> today.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:27 AM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>
>>> I appreciate your spirit, Brother Rex.
>>> You aren't like the AG pastor, I had.
>>> When I accepted this oneness belief, he yelled at me, and told me that
>>> I wasn't saved.
>>> I wish your spirit would rub off, on that preacher.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah you're right, it was way out of order and it's something she will
>>>> answer for in god's time.
>>>>
>>>> Joshua I think that in Acts 2 the principle being talked about there is
>>>> xenoglossy. They were amazed because they could understand what was
>>>> being
>>>> said in their native language and they understood that the speaker did
>>>> not
>>>> normally speak in that language.
>>>>
>>>> Please note that I will always use words like "I believe" or "I think"
>>>> as
>>>> opposed to making a statement indicating that I am absolutely sure of
>>>> what
>>> I
>>>> say. A lot of this stuff is a mystery and is not to be understood by us
>>>> at
>>>> this time. I don't have a problem with being ignorant of things because
>>>> I
>>>> know that I will know as I am known in the appointed time.
>>>>
>>>> Remember there is nothing wrong with debate.  The problems arise when we
>>> try
>>>> to usurp our beliefs over another. I believe in stating a point and
>>>> moving
>>>> on. If someone doesn't believe as I do, nothing I say or nothing I
>>>> present
>>>> subsequent to the initial statement or presentation is going to change a
>>>> person's position or belief.
>>>>
>>>> I may firmly believe in something but does this mean I'm right?
>>>> Sometimes
>>> it
>>>> does and sometimes it doesn't. One thing is for sure though, The Holy
>>> spirit
>>>> is not wrong and will lead us into all truth and knowledge but we must
>>> have
>>>> the desire and heart to seek after that truth.
>>>>
>>>> One other thing and I must get back to work and earn my keep LOL.
>>>>
>>>> Our testimonies will do more to teach than will our ideas and notions
>>>> and
>>>> opinions.
>>>>
>>>> We may argue with another's points of view but it's hard to argue with
>>>> testimony.
>>>>
>>>> Later yall.
>>>>
>>>> Peace and blessings
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:59 AM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>
>>>> It's all in the spirit, in which it is done.
>>>> If someone isn't used to it, it will scare them.
>>>> All I'm saying is, that the people were amazed, in Acts, 2, when the
>>>> people spoke in tongues.
>>>> That was how they knew.
>>>> You won't find that craziness, in an Apostolic church.
>>>> What that woman did, was out of order.
>>>> My pastor has preached on order in the church.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>> I might buy into the statement that speaking in tongues is evidence to
>>>>> oneself that one has the gift of tongues. I mean it's kind of hard to
>>>> argue
>>>>> with that logic. If one speaks in tongues then one definitely has the
>>>>> evidence before himself or herself. I don't believe that it is evidence
>>> to
>>>>> oneself that he or she is filled with the Holy spirit. I believe that a
>>>>> sense of peace and a sense of discernment, a sense of compassion, a
>>> desire
>>>>> to grow in god's word, etc, are evidence to oneself that one is filled
>>>> with
>>>>> the Holy Spirit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will tell you this: my wife's daughter had never been in a
>>>>> Pentecostal
>>>>> church before. The first day she was in the church, someone prayed over
>>>> her,
>>>>> speaking in tongues. This did nothing to foster a belief in this
>>>> unbeliever.
>>>>> In fact, she no longer wants to go back to this church. It scared her
>>>>> and
>>>>> did nothing to bolster her belief in God.
>>>>>
>>>>> She thinks badly of the church now and the woman who prayed in tongues
>>>> over
>>>>> her did more damage than good.
>>>>>
>>>>> The woman was more impressed with her abilities and her gift than her
>>>> desire
>>>>> to bring this girl into a relationship with Christ Jesus. She failed to
>>>> use
>>>>> discernment and as a result, my step daughter believes less than she
>>>>> did
>>>>> when she entered the doors of the church.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that the woman who prayed in tongues over her used absolutely
>>>> bad
>>>>> judgment as she had already been warned that my step daughter was not
>>> used
>>>>> to the principle of speaking in tongues and that the principle and
>>>> practice
>>>>> would scare her.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was filled with the Holy Spirit in a church service back in early
>>>>> 2005.
>>>> I
>>>>> was in a praise and worship service and I was filled while I was on
>>> stage.
>>>> I
>>>>> know I was filled because something in my heart changed. I also felt
>>> drunk
>>>>> at the time and the whole service was, and still is, hazy in my mind.
>>> But,
>>>>> it was many months from then when I began to speak in tongues.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM
>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>
>>>>> Rex, the tongues, is the evidence, for the unbelievers.
>>>>> It is also, to let you know, that you've received it.
>>>>> Again, I'm not trying to start a debate.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Well for one I appreciate all the comments and the discussion. I do
>>>>> believe
>>>>>> that debate has its purposes. For instance, Paul debated with Agrippa
>>> and
>>>>> in
>>>>>> Acts 26:28, I think it is, Agrippa tells Paul that he has almost
>>>> convinced
>>>>>> him that Christianity is real. I think, however, that we need to be
>>>>> mindful
>>>>>> of Proverbs 26:4-5 which tells us how to handle debate. We should not
>>>>> debate
>>>>>> simply for the purpose of trying to exercise our beliefs over another.
>>>> The
>>>>>> scriptures tell us to answer a fool according to his folly lest he
>>> become
>>>>>> wise in his own conceit and the scripture also tells us not to answer
>>>>>> a
>>>>> fool
>>>>>> according to his folly lest we become just like him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not calling anyone a fool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is clear that we are going to differ on opinions. Does this make
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> right and the other wrong? No, I don't believe so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I do believe though is that if we present a united front, we will
>>>> win
>>>>>> more people to Christ than we will if we operate in dissention and
>>>>> division.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is my salvation based on whether I believe in the trinity or not?
>>>>> Absolutely
>>>>>> not. Is my salvation guaranteed on the basis of whether I believe in
>>>>>> speaking in tongues or not? Absolutely not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is my salvation based on my belief in Christ Jesus and His atonement
>>>>>> for
>>>>> my
>>>>>> sins. You better believe it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We say that we don't support a principle if it is not clearly spelled
>>> out
>>>>> in
>>>>>> the Bible. The world glosalalia is not written in the word. It is
>>> derived
>>>>>> from two words and was first used by Frederick William Farar in 1879.
>>>> Does
>>>>>> this mean that speaking in tongues has no merit? I don't believe this
>>>>>> is
>>>>> the
>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will ask one question here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We read that speaking in tongues is evidence of being filled with the
>>>> Holy
>>>>>> Spirit. Evidence to whom? Does God need evidence that we are filled
>>>>>> with
>>>>> the
>>>>>> Holy Spirit? I think God already knows that. So, who is the evidence
>>> for?
>>>>> If
>>>>>> we are not to be respecter of persons then who is the evidence for?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe that speaking in tongues is a gift. I also believe that
>>>>>> there
>>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>>> difference between speaking in tongues and speaking in an unknown
>>>>> language.
>>>>>> Do I believe that a person who does not speak in tongues is not filled
>>>>> with
>>>>>> the Holy Spirit? No, I don't believe that. I believe that some may not
>>>>> have
>>>>>> the gift of tongues and are filled with the Holy Spirit. Could I be
>>>> wrong?
>>>>>> Possibly. Could I be right? Possibly. Will I know the answer to these
>>>>>> questions when I see through a glass clearly. Yep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peace and blessings!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:40 AM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Nikki.
>>>>>> I hope what I've said, doesn't come across, the way Ms Mentink, says
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> does.
>>>>>> That's not the spirit I want to display.
>>>>>> I just believe, that if Kirt has the right to put his T I video, on
>>>>>> the list, this message should be allowed, as well.
>>>>>> I love everyone, on this list.
>>>>>> May God bless everyone of you, and remember, you can't lose for
>>>>>> winning, when God is on your side.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>     I have a voice and wish to be heard.
>>>>>>> Joshua, I believe, is merely informing, educating.
>>>>>>> When has he told you he has the only Truth?
>>>>>>> The Truth is in the Holy Bible and if you can't accept it, it's your
>>> own
>>>>>>> fault.
>>>>>>> Joshua gives Bible verses to prove a point, that's the way I see
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>> I came on the list two months ago, looking for answers, but all that
>>> was
>>>>>>> here was argument and debate.
>>>>>>> I'm sorry, sounds a bit childish to me.
>>>>>>> I'm ready to unsubscribe if things don't lighten up.
>>>>>>> God bless you all.
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Alan Wheeler
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:25 AM
>>>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I second this, Linda.
>>>>>>> Joshua, please stop talking as though you, and only you know the
>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>> truth. It really isn't conducive to peaceful, productive discussion
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:00 AM
>>>>>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have time to read all the messages that have come in.
>>>>>>> However, in first Corinthians 13 Paul says that toungues shall cease.
>>>>>>> Somewhere, maybe there, he said it is better to seek the greater
>>>>>>> gifts,
>>>>> or
>>>>>>> something like that. And, since they're gifts of the Spirit, they're
>>>>> given
>>>>>>> to us by God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joshua, you have a hard time listening to others. Please stop trying
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> press your points. You think, or you come across like you think, that
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>> the only one here who has the whole truth. I say again, please stop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gotta go!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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