[Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
Joshua Lester
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Mon Jun 6 16:57:10 UTC 2011
The thread was called, "Something to Remember."
Blessings, Joshua
On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
> I never posted a video by T I. Ever. I honestly don't know where
> you're getting that from-I agree with you, that is absolutely aweful
> for this kind of list. If it's not too much trouble, would you mind
> sending me a copy of the email with the video off-list? If I got
> hacked, or made a mistake copying and pasting the link I was trying to
> send, I want to know!
> God bless,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/6/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> On a thread you posted, you had a T I video, ("No Mercy.)"
>> T I, is in a prison, in Forest City, Arkansas, (yes,) my state.
>> Why should we house a drug addicted gangster rapper, convicted of
>> illegal possession, of guns, when he was arrested in CA?
>> I know, we're off topic, here, but It's awfull, that someone would
>> post a video, by a convicted rapper, on this list.
>> I know, who the moderators are, and I'm not trying to do their job,
>> but I was offended by that video.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> That came through as a T I video? Really? That's not the link I
>>> put up...to my understanding, the link I put up was to one of my
>>> favorite religious artists, a Muslim man by the name of Dawud Wharnsby
>>> who sang a fantastic song about opening our minds and hearts up to
>>> others. Is that not the video that came through?
>>>
>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey Joshua, I used to have the opinion that I was right and everyone
>>>> else
>>>> just didn't understand the bible the way that I did. Hahaha. What a
>>>> laugh.
>>>> God humbled me in a hard way and thank you Jesus my life has not been
>>>> the
>>>> same sense.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry someone would say that to you. In my opinion, that's messed
>>>> up.
>>>>
>>>> God must love me an awful lot, he chastises me quite a bit and He says
>>>> He
>>>> chastises those He loves. Sometimes I wish He didn't love me quite as
>>>> much
>>>> as He does.
>>>>
>>>> Just kidding. There's nothing in this world equal to God's love.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, gotta go for real this time. Perhaps I can catch up tomorrow or
>>>> later
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:27 AM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate your spirit, Brother Rex.
>>>> You aren't like the AG pastor, I had.
>>>> When I accepted this oneness belief, he yelled at me, and told me that
>>>> I wasn't saved.
>>>> I wish your spirit would rub off, on that preacher.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah you're right, it was way out of order and it's something she will
>>>>> answer for in god's time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joshua I think that in Acts 2 the principle being talked about there is
>>>>> xenoglossy. They were amazed because they could understand what was
>>>>> being
>>>>> said in their native language and they understood that the speaker did
>>>>> not
>>>>> normally speak in that language.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note that I will always use words like "I believe" or "I think"
>>>>> as
>>>>> opposed to making a statement indicating that I am absolutely sure of
>>>>> what
>>>> I
>>>>> say. A lot of this stuff is a mystery and is not to be understood by us
>>>>> at
>>>>> this time. I don't have a problem with being ignorant of things because
>>>>> I
>>>>> know that I will know as I am known in the appointed time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember there is nothing wrong with debate. The problems arise when
>>>>> we
>>>> try
>>>>> to usurp our beliefs over another. I believe in stating a point and
>>>>> moving
>>>>> on. If someone doesn't believe as I do, nothing I say or nothing I
>>>>> present
>>>>> subsequent to the initial statement or presentation is going to change
>>>>> a
>>>>> person's position or belief.
>>>>>
>>>>> I may firmly believe in something but does this mean I'm right?
>>>>> Sometimes
>>>> it
>>>>> does and sometimes it doesn't. One thing is for sure though, The Holy
>>>> spirit
>>>>> is not wrong and will lead us into all truth and knowledge but we must
>>>> have
>>>>> the desire and heart to seek after that truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> One other thing and I must get back to work and earn my keep LOL.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our testimonies will do more to teach than will our ideas and notions
>>>>> and
>>>>> opinions.
>>>>>
>>>>> We may argue with another's points of view but it's hard to argue with
>>>>> testimony.
>>>>>
>>>>> Later yall.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peace and blessings
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:59 AM
>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>
>>>>> It's all in the spirit, in which it is done.
>>>>> If someone isn't used to it, it will scare them.
>>>>> All I'm saying is, that the people were amazed, in Acts, 2, when the
>>>>> people spoke in tongues.
>>>>> That was how they knew.
>>>>> You won't find that craziness, in an Apostolic church.
>>>>> What that woman did, was out of order.
>>>>> My pastor has preached on order in the church.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I might buy into the statement that speaking in tongues is evidence to
>>>>>> oneself that one has the gift of tongues. I mean it's kind of hard to
>>>>> argue
>>>>>> with that logic. If one speaks in tongues then one definitely has the
>>>>>> evidence before himself or herself. I don't believe that it is
>>>>>> evidence
>>>> to
>>>>>> oneself that he or she is filled with the Holy spirit. I believe that
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> sense of peace and a sense of discernment, a sense of compassion, a
>>>> desire
>>>>>> to grow in god's word, etc, are evidence to oneself that one is filled
>>>>> with
>>>>>> the Holy Spirit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will tell you this: my wife's daughter had never been in a
>>>>>> Pentecostal
>>>>>> church before. The first day she was in the church, someone prayed
>>>>>> over
>>>>> her,
>>>>>> speaking in tongues. This did nothing to foster a belief in this
>>>>> unbeliever.
>>>>>> In fact, she no longer wants to go back to this church. It scared her
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> did nothing to bolster her belief in God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She thinks badly of the church now and the woman who prayed in tongues
>>>>> over
>>>>>> her did more damage than good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The woman was more impressed with her abilities and her gift than her
>>>>> desire
>>>>>> to bring this girl into a relationship with Christ Jesus. She failed
>>>>>> to
>>>>> use
>>>>>> discernment and as a result, my step daughter believes less than she
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> when she entered the doors of the church.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe that the woman who prayed in tongues over her used
>>>>>> absolutely
>>>>> bad
>>>>>> judgment as she had already been warned that my step daughter was not
>>>> used
>>>>>> to the principle of speaking in tongues and that the principle and
>>>>> practice
>>>>>> would scare her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was filled with the Holy Spirit in a church service back in early
>>>>>> 2005.
>>>>> I
>>>>>> was in a praise and worship service and I was filled while I was on
>>>> stage.
>>>>> I
>>>>>> know I was filled because something in my heart changed. I also felt
>>>> drunk
>>>>>> at the time and the whole service was, and still is, hazy in my mind.
>>>> But,
>>>>>> it was many months from then when I began to speak in tongues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rex, the tongues, is the evidence, for the unbelievers.
>>>>>> It is also, to let you know, that you've received it.
>>>>>> Again, I'm not trying to start a debate.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Well for one I appreciate all the comments and the discussion. I do
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>> that debate has its purposes. For instance, Paul debated with Agrippa
>>>> and
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Acts 26:28, I think it is, Agrippa tells Paul that he has almost
>>>>> convinced
>>>>>>> him that Christianity is real. I think, however, that we need to be
>>>>>> mindful
>>>>>>> of Proverbs 26:4-5 which tells us how to handle debate. We should not
>>>>>> debate
>>>>>>> simply for the purpose of trying to exercise our beliefs over
>>>>>>> another.
>>>>> The
>>>>>>> scriptures tell us to answer a fool according to his folly lest he
>>>> become
>>>>>>> wise in his own conceit and the scripture also tells us not to answer
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>> fool
>>>>>>> according to his folly lest we become just like him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not calling anyone a fool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is clear that we are going to differ on opinions. Does this make
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> right and the other wrong? No, I don't believe so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I do believe though is that if we present a united front, we
>>>>>>> will
>>>>> win
>>>>>>> more people to Christ than we will if we operate in dissention and
>>>>>> division.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is my salvation based on whether I believe in the trinity or not?
>>>>>> Absolutely
>>>>>>> not. Is my salvation guaranteed on the basis of whether I believe in
>>>>>>> speaking in tongues or not? Absolutely not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is my salvation based on my belief in Christ Jesus and His atonement
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> sins. You better believe it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We say that we don't support a principle if it is not clearly spelled
>>>> out
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the Bible. The world glosalalia is not written in the word. It is
>>>> derived
>>>>>>> from two words and was first used by Frederick William Farar in 1879.
>>>>> Does
>>>>>>> this mean that speaking in tongues has no merit? I don't believe this
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will ask one question here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We read that speaking in tongues is evidence of being filled with the
>>>>> Holy
>>>>>>> Spirit. Evidence to whom? Does God need evidence that we are filled
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Holy Spirit? I think God already knows that. So, who is the evidence
>>>> for?
>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> we are not to be respecter of persons then who is the evidence for?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe that speaking in tongues is a gift. I also believe that
>>>>>>> there
>>>>> is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> difference between speaking in tongues and speaking in an unknown
>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>> Do I believe that a person who does not speak in tongues is not
>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the Holy Spirit? No, I don't believe that. I believe that some may
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> the gift of tongues and are filled with the Holy Spirit. Could I be
>>>>> wrong?
>>>>>>> Possibly. Could I be right? Possibly. Will I know the answer to these
>>>>>>> questions when I see through a glass clearly. Yep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peace and blessings!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:40 AM
>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Nikki.
>>>>>>> I hope what I've said, doesn't come across, the way Ms Mentink, says
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>> That's not the spirit I want to display.
>>>>>>> I just believe, that if Kirt has the right to put his T I video, on
>>>>>>> the list, this message should be allowed, as well.
>>>>>>> I love everyone, on this list.
>>>>>>> May God bless everyone of you, and remember, you can't lose for
>>>>>>> winning, when God is on your side.
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have a voice and wish to be heard.
>>>>>>>> Joshua, I believe, is merely informing, educating.
>>>>>>>> When has he told you he has the only Truth?
>>>>>>>> The Truth is in the Holy Bible and if you can't accept it, it's your
>>>> own
>>>>>>>> fault.
>>>>>>>> Joshua gives Bible verses to prove a point, that's the way I see
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>> I came on the list two months ago, looking for answers, but all that
>>>> was
>>>>>>>> here was argument and debate.
>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, sounds a bit childish to me.
>>>>>>>> I'm ready to unsubscribe if things don't lighten up.
>>>>>>>> God bless you all.
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Alan Wheeler
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:25 AM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I second this, Linda.
>>>>>>>> Joshua, please stop talking as though you, and only you know the
>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>> truth. It really isn't conducive to peaceful, productive discussion
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:00 AM
>>>>>>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have time to read all the messages that have come in.
>>>>>>>> However, in first Corinthians 13 Paul says that toungues shall
>>>>>>>> cease.
>>>>>>>> Somewhere, maybe there, he said it is better to seek the greater
>>>>>>>> gifts,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> something like that. And, since they're gifts of the Spirit, they're
>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>> to us by God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joshua, you have a hard time listening to others. Please stop trying
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> press your points. You think, or you come across like you think,
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>> the only one here who has the whole truth. I say again, please stop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gotta go!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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