[Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues

Mon Jun 6 17:02:49 UTC 2011

I was trying to post a casting crowns video in the thread called
"something to think about."  I honestly don't know how T I got in
there but I am sorry.  It was a simple mistake.  Thanks for letting me
know-I honestly did not mean for that to happen!  I sincerely
appologize for anyone who saw that video, it's not what I wanted to
put up.  Please understand it wasn't intentional at all.  Thanks,
Joshua, for bringing this to my attention...I'll put up the video I
was trying to put up soon, and I'll double-check it's the right one.
  Thank you,
Kirt

On 6/6/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> The thread was called, "Something to Remember."
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>>   I never posted a video by T I.  Ever.  I honestly don't know where
>> you're getting that from-I agree with you, that is absolutely aweful
>> for this kind of list.  If it's not too much trouble, would you mind
>> sending me a copy of the email with the video off-list?  If I got
>> hacked, or made a mistake copying and pasting the link I was trying to
>> send, I want to know!
>>   God bless,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 6/6/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> On a thread you posted, you had a T I video, ("No Mercy.)"
>>> T I, is in a prison, in Forest City, Arkansas, (yes,) my state.
>>> Why should we house a drug addicted gangster rapper, convicted of
>>> illegal possession, of guns, when he was arrested in CA?
>>> I know, we're off topic, here, but It's awfull, that someone would
>>> post a video, by a convicted rapper, on this list.
>>> I know, who the moderators are, and I'm not trying to do their job,
>>> but I was offended by that video.
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Joshua,
>>>>   That came through as a T I video?  Really?  That's not the link I
>>>> put up...to my understanding, the link I put up was to one of my
>>>> favorite religious artists, a Muslim man by the name of Dawud Wharnsby
>>>> who sang a fantastic song about opening our minds and hearts up to
>>>> others.  Is that not the video that came through?
>>>>
>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hey Joshua, I used to have the opinion that I was right and everyone
>>>>> else
>>>>> just didn't understand the bible the way that I did. Hahaha. What a
>>>>> laugh.
>>>>> God humbled me in a hard way and thank you Jesus my life has not been
>>>>> the
>>>>> same sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry someone would say that to you. In my opinion, that's messed
>>>>> up.
>>>>>
>>>>> God must love me an awful lot, he chastises me quite a bit and He says
>>>>> He
>>>>> chastises those He loves. Sometimes I wish He didn't love me quite as
>>>>> much
>>>>> as He does.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just kidding. There's nothing in this world equal to God's love.
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, gotta go for real this time. Perhaps I can catch up tomorrow or
>>>>> later
>>>>> today.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:27 AM
>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate your spirit, Brother Rex.
>>>>> You aren't like the AG pastor, I had.
>>>>> When I accepted this oneness belief, he yelled at me, and told me that
>>>>> I wasn't saved.
>>>>> I wish your spirit would rub off, on that preacher.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah you're right, it was way out of order and it's something she will
>>>>>> answer for in god's time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joshua I think that in Acts 2 the principle being talked about there
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> xenoglossy. They were amazed because they could understand what was
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> said in their native language and they understood that the speaker did
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> normally speak in that language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please note that I will always use words like "I believe" or "I think"
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> opposed to making a statement indicating that I am absolutely sure of
>>>>>> what
>>>>> I
>>>>>> say. A lot of this stuff is a mystery and is not to be understood by
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> this time. I don't have a problem with being ignorant of things
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> know that I will know as I am known in the appointed time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember there is nothing wrong with debate.  The problems arise when
>>>>>> we
>>>>> try
>>>>>> to usurp our beliefs over another. I believe in stating a point and
>>>>>> moving
>>>>>> on. If someone doesn't believe as I do, nothing I say or nothing I
>>>>>> present
>>>>>> subsequent to the initial statement or presentation is going to change
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> person's position or belief.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may firmly believe in something but does this mean I'm right?
>>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>> it
>>>>>> does and sometimes it doesn't. One thing is for sure though, The Holy
>>>>> spirit
>>>>>> is not wrong and will lead us into all truth and knowledge but we must
>>>>> have
>>>>>> the desire and heart to seek after that truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One other thing and I must get back to work and earn my keep LOL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our testimonies will do more to teach than will our ideas and notions
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> opinions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We may argue with another's points of view but it's hard to argue with
>>>>>> testimony.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Later yall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peace and blessings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:59 AM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's all in the spirit, in which it is done.
>>>>>> If someone isn't used to it, it will scare them.
>>>>>> All I'm saying is, that the people were amazed, in Acts, 2, when the
>>>>>> people spoke in tongues.
>>>>>> That was how they knew.
>>>>>> You won't find that craziness, in an Apostolic church.
>>>>>> What that woman did, was out of order.
>>>>>> My pastor has preached on order in the church.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I might buy into the statement that speaking in tongues is evidence
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> oneself that one has the gift of tongues. I mean it's kind of hard to
>>>>>> argue
>>>>>>> with that logic. If one speaks in tongues then one definitely has the
>>>>>>> evidence before himself or herself. I don't believe that it is
>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> oneself that he or she is filled with the Holy spirit. I believe that
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> sense of peace and a sense of discernment, a sense of compassion, a
>>>>> desire
>>>>>>> to grow in god's word, etc, are evidence to oneself that one is
>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the Holy Spirit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will tell you this: my wife's daughter had never been in a
>>>>>>> Pentecostal
>>>>>>> church before. The first day she was in the church, someone prayed
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>> her,
>>>>>>> speaking in tongues. This did nothing to foster a belief in this
>>>>>> unbeliever.
>>>>>>> In fact, she no longer wants to go back to this church. It scared her
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> did nothing to bolster her belief in God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She thinks badly of the church now and the woman who prayed in
>>>>>>> tongues
>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> her did more damage than good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The woman was more impressed with her abilities and her gift than her
>>>>>> desire
>>>>>>> to bring this girl into a relationship with Christ Jesus. She failed
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> discernment and as a result, my step daughter believes less than she
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> when she entered the doors of the church.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe that the woman who prayed in tongues over her used
>>>>>>> absolutely
>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>> judgment as she had already been warned that my step daughter was not
>>>>> used
>>>>>>> to the principle of speaking in tongues and that the principle and
>>>>>> practice
>>>>>>> would scare her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was filled with the Holy Spirit in a church service back in early
>>>>>>> 2005.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was in a praise and worship service and I was filled while I was on
>>>>> stage.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> know I was filled because something in my heart changed. I also felt
>>>>> drunk
>>>>>>> at the time and the whole service was, and still is, hazy in my mind.
>>>>> But,
>>>>>>> it was many months from then when I began to speak in tongues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM
>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rex, the tongues, is the evidence, for the unbelievers.
>>>>>>> It is also, to let you know, that you've received it.
>>>>>>> Again, I'm not trying to start a debate.
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well for one I appreciate all the comments and the discussion. I do
>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>> that debate has its purposes. For instance, Paul debated with
>>>>>>>> Agrippa
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> Acts 26:28, I think it is, Agrippa tells Paul that he has almost
>>>>>> convinced
>>>>>>>> him that Christianity is real. I think, however, that we need to be
>>>>>>> mindful
>>>>>>>> of Proverbs 26:4-5 which tells us how to handle debate. We should
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> debate
>>>>>>>> simply for the purpose of trying to exercise our beliefs over
>>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> scriptures tell us to answer a fool according to his folly lest he
>>>>> become
>>>>>>>> wise in his own conceit and the scripture also tells us not to
>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> fool
>>>>>>>> according to his folly lest we become just like him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not calling anyone a fool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is clear that we are going to differ on opinions. Does this make
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> right and the other wrong? No, I don't believe so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I do believe though is that if we present a united front, we
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>> win
>>>>>>>> more people to Christ than we will if we operate in dissention and
>>>>>>> division.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is my salvation based on whether I believe in the trinity or not?
>>>>>>> Absolutely
>>>>>>>> not. Is my salvation guaranteed on the basis of whether I believe in
>>>>>>>> speaking in tongues or not? Absolutely not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is my salvation based on my belief in Christ Jesus and His atonement
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> sins. You better believe it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We say that we don't support a principle if it is not clearly
>>>>>>>> spelled
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the Bible. The world glosalalia is not written in the word. It is
>>>>> derived
>>>>>>>> from two words and was first used by Frederick William Farar in
>>>>>>>> 1879.
>>>>>> Does
>>>>>>>> this mean that speaking in tongues has no merit? I don't believe
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will ask one question here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We read that speaking in tongues is evidence of being filled with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Holy
>>>>>>>> Spirit. Evidence to whom? Does God need evidence that we are filled
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Holy Spirit? I think God already knows that. So, who is the evidence
>>>>> for?
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>> we are not to be respecter of persons then who is the evidence for?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe that speaking in tongues is a gift. I also believe that
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> difference between speaking in tongues and speaking in an unknown
>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>> Do I believe that a person who does not speak in tongues is not
>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> the Holy Spirit? No, I don't believe that. I believe that some may
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> the gift of tongues and are filled with the Holy Spirit. Could I be
>>>>>> wrong?
>>>>>>>> Possibly. Could I be right? Possibly. Will I know the answer to
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> questions when I see through a glass clearly. Yep.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peace and blessings!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:40 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Nikki.
>>>>>>>> I hope what I've said, doesn't come across, the way Ms Mentink, says
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>> That's not the spirit I want to display.
>>>>>>>> I just believe, that if Kirt has the right to put his T I video, on
>>>>>>>> the list, this message should be allowed, as well.
>>>>>>>> I love everyone, on this list.
>>>>>>>> May God bless everyone of you, and remember, you can't lose for
>>>>>>>> winning, when God is on your side.
>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>     I have a voice and wish to be heard.
>>>>>>>>> Joshua, I believe, is merely informing, educating.
>>>>>>>>> When has he told you he has the only Truth?
>>>>>>>>> The Truth is in the Holy Bible and if you can't accept it, it's
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>> fault.
>>>>>>>>> Joshua gives Bible verses to prove a point, that's the way I see
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>> I came on the list two months ago, looking for answers, but all
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> here was argument and debate.
>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, sounds a bit childish to me.
>>>>>>>>> I'm ready to unsubscribe if things don't lighten up.
>>>>>>>>> God bless you all.
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Alan Wheeler
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:25 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I second this, Linda.
>>>>>>>>> Joshua, please stop talking as though you, and only you know the
>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>> truth. It really isn't conducive to peaceful, productive discussion
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:00 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have time to read all the messages that have come in.
>>>>>>>>> However, in first Corinthians 13 Paul says that toungues shall
>>>>>>>>> cease.
>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, maybe there, he said it is better to seek the greater
>>>>>>>>> gifts,
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> something like that. And, since they're gifts of the Spirit,
>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>> to us by God.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joshua, you have a hard time listening to others. Please stop
>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> press your points. You think, or you come across like you think,
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>> the only one here who has the whole truth. I say again, please
>>>>>>>>> stop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gotta go!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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