[Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues

[Kirt Manwaring]

I'll give it a try...I don't want something like this happening again!

On 6/6/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Okay.
> I accept your appology.
> Youtube has been giving me fits, lately, as well.
> I like the new accessible interface, tube.majestyc.net, better than
> the regular Youtube.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I was trying to post a casting crowns video in the thread called
>> "something to think about."  I honestly don't know how T I got in
>> there but I am sorry.  It was a simple mistake.  Thanks for letting me
>> know-I honestly did not mean for that to happen!  I sincerely
>> appologize for anyone who saw that video, it's not what I wanted to
>> put up.  Please understand it wasn't intentional at all.  Thanks,
>> Joshua, for bringing this to my attention...I'll put up the video I
>> was trying to put up soon, and I'll double-check it's the right one.
>>   Thank you,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 6/6/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> The thread was called, "Something to Remember."
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Joshua,
>>>>   I never posted a video by T I.  Ever.  I honestly don't know where
>>>> you're getting that from-I agree with you, that is absolutely aweful
>>>> for this kind of list.  If it's not too much trouble, would you mind
>>>> sending me a copy of the email with the video off-list?  If I got
>>>> hacked, or made a mistake copying and pasting the link I was trying to
>>>> send, I want to know!
>>>>   God bless,
>>>> Kirt
>>>>
>>>> On 6/6/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>> On a thread you posted, you had a T I video, ("No Mercy.)"
>>>>> T I, is in a prison, in Forest City, Arkansas, (yes,) my state.
>>>>> Why should we house a drug addicted gangster rapper, convicted of
>>>>> illegal possession, of guns, when he was arrested in CA?
>>>>> I know, we're off topic, here, but It's awfull, that someone would
>>>>> post a video, by a convicted rapper, on this list.
>>>>> I know, who the moderators are, and I'm not trying to do their job,
>>>>> but I was offended by that video.
>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>>>   That came through as a T I video?  Really?  That's not the link I
>>>>>> put up...to my understanding, the link I put up was to one of my
>>>>>> favorite religious artists, a Muslim man by the name of Dawud Wharnsby
>>>>>> who sang a fantastic song about opening our minds and hearts up to
>>>>>> others.  Is that not the video that came through?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Joshua, I used to have the opinion that I was right and everyone
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> just didn't understand the bible the way that I did. Hahaha. What a
>>>>>>> laugh.
>>>>>>> God humbled me in a hard way and thank you Jesus my life has not been
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry someone would say that to you. In my opinion, that's messed
>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God must love me an awful lot, he chastises me quite a bit and He
>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>> chastises those He loves. Sometimes I wish He didn't love me quite as
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> as He does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just kidding. There's nothing in this world equal to God's love.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, gotta go for real this time. Perhaps I can catch up tomorrow or
>>>>>>> later
>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:27 AM
>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I appreciate your spirit, Brother Rex.
>>>>>>> You aren't like the AG pastor, I had.
>>>>>>> When I accepted this oneness belief, he yelled at me, and told me
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> I wasn't saved.
>>>>>>> I wish your spirit would rub off, on that preacher.
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah you're right, it was way out of order and it's something she
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> answer for in god's time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joshua I think that in Acts 2 the principle being talked about there
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> xenoglossy. They were amazed because they could understand what was
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>> said in their native language and they understood that the speaker
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> normally speak in that language.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please note that I will always use words like "I believe" or "I
>>>>>>>> think"
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> opposed to making a statement indicating that I am absolutely sure
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> say. A lot of this stuff is a mystery and is not to be understood by
>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> this time. I don't have a problem with being ignorant of things
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> know that I will know as I am known in the appointed time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remember there is nothing wrong with debate.  The problems arise
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>> to usurp our beliefs over another. I believe in stating a point and
>>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>>> on. If someone doesn't believe as I do, nothing I say or nothing I
>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>> subsequent to the initial statement or presentation is going to
>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> person's position or belief.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I may firmly believe in something but does this mean I'm right?
>>>>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> does and sometimes it doesn't. One thing is for sure though, The
>>>>>>>> Holy
>>>>>>> spirit
>>>>>>>> is not wrong and will lead us into all truth and knowledge but we
>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> the desire and heart to seek after that truth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One other thing and I must get back to work and earn my keep LOL.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our testimonies will do more to teach than will our ideas and
>>>>>>>> notions
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> opinions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We may argue with another's points of view but it's hard to argue
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> testimony.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Later yall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peace and blessings
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:59 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's all in the spirit, in which it is done.
>>>>>>>> If someone isn't used to it, it will scare them.
>>>>>>>> All I'm saying is, that the people were amazed, in Acts, 2, when the
>>>>>>>> people spoke in tongues.
>>>>>>>> That was how they knew.
>>>>>>>> You won't find that craziness, in an Apostolic church.
>>>>>>>> What that woman did, was out of order.
>>>>>>>> My pastor has preached on order in the church.
>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I might buy into the statement that speaking in tongues is evidence
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> oneself that one has the gift of tongues. I mean it's kind of hard
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> argue
>>>>>>>>> with that logic. If one speaks in tongues then one definitely has
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> evidence before himself or herself. I don't believe that it is
>>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> oneself that he or she is filled with the Holy spirit. I believe
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> sense of peace and a sense of discernment, a sense of compassion, a
>>>>>>> desire
>>>>>>>>> to grow in god's word, etc, are evidence to oneself that one is
>>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the Holy Spirit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will tell you this: my wife's daughter had never been in a
>>>>>>>>> Pentecostal
>>>>>>>>> church before. The first day she was in the church, someone prayed
>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>> her,
>>>>>>>>> speaking in tongues. This did nothing to foster a belief in this
>>>>>>>> unbeliever.
>>>>>>>>> In fact, she no longer wants to go back to this church. It scared
>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> did nothing to bolster her belief in God.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She thinks badly of the church now and the woman who prayed in
>>>>>>>>> tongues
>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>> her did more damage than good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The woman was more impressed with her abilities and her gift than
>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>> desire
>>>>>>>>> to bring this girl into a relationship with Christ Jesus. She
>>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> discernment and as a result, my step daughter believes less than
>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>> when she entered the doors of the church.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I believe that the woman who prayed in tongues over her used
>>>>>>>>> absolutely
>>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>>> judgment as she had already been warned that my step daughter was
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>> to the principle of speaking in tongues and that the principle and
>>>>>>>> practice
>>>>>>>>> would scare her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was filled with the Holy Spirit in a church service back in early
>>>>>>>>> 2005.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> was in a praise and worship service and I was filled while I was on
>>>>>>> stage.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> know I was filled because something in my heart changed. I also
>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>>> drunk
>>>>>>>>> at the time and the whole service was, and still is, hazy in my
>>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>> But,
>>>>>>>>> it was many months from then when I began to speak in tongues.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rex, the tongues, is the evidence, for the unbelievers.
>>>>>>>>> It is also, to let you know, that you've received it.
>>>>>>>>> Again, I'm not trying to start a debate.
>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Well for one I appreciate all the comments and the discussion. I
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>> that debate has its purposes. For instance, Paul debated with
>>>>>>>>>> Agrippa
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Acts 26:28, I think it is, Agrippa tells Paul that he has almost
>>>>>>>> convinced
>>>>>>>>>> him that Christianity is real. I think, however, that we need to
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> mindful
>>>>>>>>>> of Proverbs 26:4-5 which tells us how to handle debate. We should
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> debate
>>>>>>>>>> simply for the purpose of trying to exercise our beliefs over
>>>>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>> scriptures tell us to answer a fool according to his folly lest he
>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>>>> wise in his own conceit and the scripture also tells us not to
>>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> fool
>>>>>>>>>> according to his folly lest we become just like him.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not calling anyone a fool.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that we are going to differ on opinions. Does this
>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> right and the other wrong? No, I don't believe so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What I do believe though is that if we present a united front, we
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> win
>>>>>>>>>> more people to Christ than we will if we operate in dissention and
>>>>>>>>> division.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is my salvation based on whether I believe in the trinity or not?
>>>>>>>>> Absolutely
>>>>>>>>>> not. Is my salvation guaranteed on the basis of whether I believe
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> speaking in tongues or not? Absolutely not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is my salvation based on my belief in Christ Jesus and His
>>>>>>>>>> atonement
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> sins. You better believe it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We say that we don't support a principle if it is not clearly
>>>>>>>>>> spelled
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the Bible. The world glosalalia is not written in the word. It is
>>>>>>> derived
>>>>>>>>>> from two words and was first used by Frederick William Farar in
>>>>>>>>>> 1879.
>>>>>>>> Does
>>>>>>>>>> this mean that speaking in tongues has no merit? I don't believe
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will ask one question here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We read that speaking in tongues is evidence of being filled with
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Holy
>>>>>>>>>> Spirit. Evidence to whom? Does God need evidence that we are
>>>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Holy Spirit? I think God already knows that. So, who is the
>>>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>> we are not to be respecter of persons then who is the evidence
>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I believe that speaking in tongues is a gift. I also believe that
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> difference between speaking in tongues and speaking in an unknown
>>>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>>>> Do I believe that a person who does not speak in tongues is not
>>>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> the Holy Spirit? No, I don't believe that. I believe that some may
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> the gift of tongues and are filled with the Holy Spirit. Could I
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> wrong?
>>>>>>>>>> Possibly. Could I be right? Possibly. Will I know the answer to
>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>> questions when I see through a glass clearly. Yep.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peace and blessings!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:40 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Nikki.
>>>>>>>>>> I hope what I've said, doesn't come across, the way Ms Mentink,
>>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>> That's not the spirit I want to display.
>>>>>>>>>> I just believe, that if Kirt has the right to put his T I video,
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> the list, this message should be allowed, as well.
>>>>>>>>>> I love everyone, on this list.
>>>>>>>>>> May God bless everyone of you, and remember, you can't lose for
>>>>>>>>>> winning, when God is on your side.
>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>     I have a voice and wish to be heard.
>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua, I believe, is merely informing, educating.
>>>>>>>>>>> When has he told you he has the only Truth?
>>>>>>>>>>> The Truth is in the Holy Bible and if you can't accept it, it's
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>> fault.
>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua gives Bible verses to prove a point, that's the way I see
>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>> I came on the list two months ago, looking for answers, but all
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> here was argument and debate.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, sounds a bit childish to me.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm ready to unsubscribe if things don't lighten up.
>>>>>>>>>>> God bless you all.
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alan Wheeler
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I second this, Linda.
>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua, please stop talking as though you, and only you know the
>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>> truth. It really isn't conducive to peaceful, productive
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:00 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have time to read all the messages that have come in.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, in first Corinthians 13 Paul says that toungues shall
>>>>>>>>>>> cease.
>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, maybe there, he said it is better to seek the greater
>>>>>>>>>>> gifts,
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> something like that. And, since they're gifts of the Spirit,
>>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>>> to us by God.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua, you have a hard time listening to others. Please stop
>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> press your points. You think, or you come across like you think,
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>>> the only one here who has the whole truth. I say again, please
>>>>>>>>>>> stop.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gotta go!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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