[Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues

[Joshua Lester]

Okay.
I accept your appology.
Youtube has been giving me fits, lately, as well.
I like the new accessible interface, tube.majestyc.net, better than
the regular Youtube.
Blessings, Joshua

On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was trying to post a casting crowns video in the thread called
> "something to think about."  I honestly don't know how T I got in
> there but I am sorry.  It was a simple mistake.  Thanks for letting me
> know-I honestly did not mean for that to happen!  I sincerely
> appologize for anyone who saw that video, it's not what I wanted to
> put up.  Please understand it wasn't intentional at all.  Thanks,
> Joshua, for bringing this to my attention...I'll put up the video I
> was trying to put up soon, and I'll double-check it's the right one.
>   Thank you,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/6/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> The thread was called, "Something to Remember."
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>>   I never posted a video by T I.  Ever.  I honestly don't know where
>>> you're getting that from-I agree with you, that is absolutely aweful
>>> for this kind of list.  If it's not too much trouble, would you mind
>>> sending me a copy of the email with the video off-list?  If I got
>>> hacked, or made a mistake copying and pasting the link I was trying to
>>> send, I want to know!
>>>   God bless,
>>> Kirt
>>>
>>> On 6/6/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>> On a thread you posted, you had a T I video, ("No Mercy.)"
>>>> T I, is in a prison, in Forest City, Arkansas, (yes,) my state.
>>>> Why should we house a drug addicted gangster rapper, convicted of
>>>> illegal possession, of guns, when he was arrested in CA?
>>>> I know, we're off topic, here, but It's awfull, that someone would
>>>> post a video, by a convicted rapper, on this list.
>>>> I know, who the moderators are, and I'm not trying to do their job,
>>>> but I was offended by that video.
>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 6/6/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>>   That came through as a T I video?  Really?  That's not the link I
>>>>> put up...to my understanding, the link I put up was to one of my
>>>>> favorite religious artists, a Muslim man by the name of Dawud Wharnsby
>>>>> who sang a fantastic song about opening our minds and hearts up to
>>>>> others.  Is that not the video that came through?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Joshua, I used to have the opinion that I was right and everyone
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> just didn't understand the bible the way that I did. Hahaha. What a
>>>>>> laugh.
>>>>>> God humbled me in a hard way and thank you Jesus my life has not been
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry someone would say that to you. In my opinion, that's messed
>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> God must love me an awful lot, he chastises me quite a bit and He says
>>>>>> He
>>>>>> chastises those He loves. Sometimes I wish He didn't love me quite as
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> as He does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just kidding. There's nothing in this world equal to God's love.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, gotta go for real this time. Perhaps I can catch up tomorrow or
>>>>>> later
>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:27 AM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I appreciate your spirit, Brother Rex.
>>>>>> You aren't like the AG pastor, I had.
>>>>>> When I accepted this oneness belief, he yelled at me, and told me that
>>>>>> I wasn't saved.
>>>>>> I wish your spirit would rub off, on that preacher.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah you're right, it was way out of order and it's something she
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> answer for in god's time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joshua I think that in Acts 2 the principle being talked about there
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> xenoglossy. They were amazed because they could understand what was
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> said in their native language and they understood that the speaker
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> normally speak in that language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please note that I will always use words like "I believe" or "I
>>>>>>> think"
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> opposed to making a statement indicating that I am absolutely sure of
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> say. A lot of this stuff is a mystery and is not to be understood by
>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> this time. I don't have a problem with being ignorant of things
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> know that I will know as I am known in the appointed time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember there is nothing wrong with debate.  The problems arise when
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>> try
>>>>>>> to usurp our beliefs over another. I believe in stating a point and
>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>> on. If someone doesn't believe as I do, nothing I say or nothing I
>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>> subsequent to the initial statement or presentation is going to
>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> person's position or belief.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I may firmly believe in something but does this mean I'm right?
>>>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> does and sometimes it doesn't. One thing is for sure though, The Holy
>>>>>> spirit
>>>>>>> is not wrong and will lead us into all truth and knowledge but we
>>>>>>> must
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> the desire and heart to seek after that truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One other thing and I must get back to work and earn my keep LOL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our testimonies will do more to teach than will our ideas and notions
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> opinions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We may argue with another's points of view but it's hard to argue
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> testimony.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Later yall.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peace and blessings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:59 AM
>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's all in the spirit, in which it is done.
>>>>>>> If someone isn't used to it, it will scare them.
>>>>>>> All I'm saying is, that the people were amazed, in Acts, 2, when the
>>>>>>> people spoke in tongues.
>>>>>>> That was how they knew.
>>>>>>> You won't find that craziness, in an Apostolic church.
>>>>>>> What that woman did, was out of order.
>>>>>>> My pastor has preached on order in the church.
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I might buy into the statement that speaking in tongues is evidence
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> oneself that one has the gift of tongues. I mean it's kind of hard
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> argue
>>>>>>>> with that logic. If one speaks in tongues then one definitely has
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> evidence before himself or herself. I don't believe that it is
>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> oneself that he or she is filled with the Holy spirit. I believe
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> sense of peace and a sense of discernment, a sense of compassion, a
>>>>>> desire
>>>>>>>> to grow in god's word, etc, are evidence to oneself that one is
>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> the Holy Spirit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will tell you this: my wife's daughter had never been in a
>>>>>>>> Pentecostal
>>>>>>>> church before. The first day she was in the church, someone prayed
>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> her,
>>>>>>>> speaking in tongues. This did nothing to foster a belief in this
>>>>>>> unbeliever.
>>>>>>>> In fact, she no longer wants to go back to this church. It scared
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> did nothing to bolster her belief in God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She thinks badly of the church now and the woman who prayed in
>>>>>>>> tongues
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>> her did more damage than good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The woman was more impressed with her abilities and her gift than
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> desire
>>>>>>>> to bring this girl into a relationship with Christ Jesus. She failed
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> discernment and as a result, my step daughter believes less than she
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> when she entered the doors of the church.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe that the woman who prayed in tongues over her used
>>>>>>>> absolutely
>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>> judgment as she had already been warned that my step daughter was
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>> to the principle of speaking in tongues and that the principle and
>>>>>>> practice
>>>>>>>> would scare her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was filled with the Holy Spirit in a church service back in early
>>>>>>>> 2005.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> was in a praise and worship service and I was filled while I was on
>>>>>> stage.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> know I was filled because something in my heart changed. I also felt
>>>>>> drunk
>>>>>>>> at the time and the whole service was, and still is, hazy in my
>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>> But,
>>>>>>>> it was many months from then when I began to speak in tongues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rex, the tongues, is the evidence, for the unbelievers.
>>>>>>>> It is also, to let you know, that you've received it.
>>>>>>>> Again, I'm not trying to start a debate.
>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Rex Leslie Howard, Jr. <rex at littlelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Well for one I appreciate all the comments and the discussion. I do
>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>> that debate has its purposes. For instance, Paul debated with
>>>>>>>>> Agrippa
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> Acts 26:28, I think it is, Agrippa tells Paul that he has almost
>>>>>>> convinced
>>>>>>>>> him that Christianity is real. I think, however, that we need to be
>>>>>>>> mindful
>>>>>>>>> of Proverbs 26:4-5 which tells us how to handle debate. We should
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> debate
>>>>>>>>> simply for the purpose of trying to exercise our beliefs over
>>>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> scriptures tell us to answer a fool according to his folly lest he
>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>>> wise in his own conceit and the scripture also tells us not to
>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> fool
>>>>>>>>> according to his folly lest we become just like him.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not calling anyone a fool.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is clear that we are going to differ on opinions. Does this make
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> right and the other wrong? No, I don't believe so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What I do believe though is that if we present a united front, we
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> win
>>>>>>>>> more people to Christ than we will if we operate in dissention and
>>>>>>>> division.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is my salvation based on whether I believe in the trinity or not?
>>>>>>>> Absolutely
>>>>>>>>> not. Is my salvation guaranteed on the basis of whether I believe
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> speaking in tongues or not? Absolutely not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is my salvation based on my belief in Christ Jesus and His
>>>>>>>>> atonement
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> sins. You better believe it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We say that we don't support a principle if it is not clearly
>>>>>>>>> spelled
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the Bible. The world glosalalia is not written in the word. It is
>>>>>> derived
>>>>>>>>> from two words and was first used by Frederick William Farar in
>>>>>>>>> 1879.
>>>>>>> Does
>>>>>>>>> this mean that speaking in tongues has no merit? I don't believe
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will ask one question here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We read that speaking in tongues is evidence of being filled with
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Holy
>>>>>>>>> Spirit. Evidence to whom? Does God need evidence that we are filled
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Holy Spirit? I think God already knows that. So, who is the
>>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>> we are not to be respecter of persons then who is the evidence for?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I believe that speaking in tongues is a gift. I also believe that
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> difference between speaking in tongues and speaking in an unknown
>>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>>> Do I believe that a person who does not speak in tongues is not
>>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the Holy Spirit? No, I don't believe that. I believe that some may
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> the gift of tongues and are filled with the Holy Spirit. Could I be
>>>>>>> wrong?
>>>>>>>>> Possibly. Could I be right? Possibly. Will I know the answer to
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> questions when I see through a glass clearly. Yep.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peace and blessings!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:40 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you Nikki.
>>>>>>>>> I hope what I've said, doesn't come across, the way Ms Mentink,
>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>> That's not the spirit I want to display.
>>>>>>>>> I just believe, that if Kirt has the right to put his T I video, on
>>>>>>>>> the list, this message should be allowed, as well.
>>>>>>>>> I love everyone, on this list.
>>>>>>>>> May God bless everyone of you, and remember, you can't lose for
>>>>>>>>> winning, when God is on your side.
>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>     I have a voice and wish to be heard.
>>>>>>>>>> Joshua, I believe, is merely informing, educating.
>>>>>>>>>> When has he told you he has the only Truth?
>>>>>>>>>> The Truth is in the Holy Bible and if you can't accept it, it's
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>> fault.
>>>>>>>>>> Joshua gives Bible verses to prove a point, that's the way I see
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>> I came on the list two months ago, looking for answers, but all
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> here was argument and debate.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, sounds a bit childish to me.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm ready to unsubscribe if things don't lighten up.
>>>>>>>>>> God bless you all.
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Alan Wheeler
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I second this, Linda.
>>>>>>>>>> Joshua, please stop talking as though you, and only you know the
>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>> truth. It really isn't conducive to peaceful, productive
>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Linda Mentink
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:00 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Speaking in Tongues
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have time to read all the messages that have come in.
>>>>>>>>>> However, in first Corinthians 13 Paul says that toungues shall
>>>>>>>>>> cease.
>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, maybe there, he said it is better to seek the greater
>>>>>>>>>> gifts,
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> something like that. And, since they're gifts of the Spirit,
>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>> to us by God.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joshua, you have a hard time listening to others. Please stop
>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> press your points. You think, or you come across like you think,
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>> the only one here who has the whole truth. I say again, please
>>>>>>>>>> stop.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gotta go!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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