[Faith-talk] Farewell.

Tue Jun 14 21:45:47 UTC 2011

Dave.
I wasn't trying to push them on people.
I was just asking questions.
People weren't answering the questions, they were arguing.
I agree about the debates.
This is a discussion, and should never be a debate.
Just read the scriptures and seek God, and if you really want to know
the truth, God will reveal it.
Blessings, Joshua

On 6/14/11, Ron Poire <rpoire at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi all, and Joshua and Niki,
> What Dave said, is so true. The basic premis of Christians having
> differences and the squabbling which results, applies to life in general.
> You can be sure that Satan is clicking his tongue with glee, to see us and
> others fight like this. You ought to know, that unles the Holy Spirit
> prepares the heart, there is no hope of a lasting persuation.  For example,
> I could mumble a prayer of repentance and not mean a word of it. Would I be
> saved? Of course not. The reason being, I wasn't sincere. But thankfully, I
> have been walking with the Lord for many years; some of which I was very
> fervent, some of the time not so much. We really need discernment when it
> comes to stating your beliefs and convictions.
> No one person or group has a corner on the truth. Only a diligent searching
> of the Word, can bring you as close as possible.  Some of the threads seem
> to carry on ad infin item, so the rest of the messages get deleted in my
> case, because I am tired of that particular thread.
>
> This is just my opinion for the most part.
> I hope Niki and Joshua, you remain on the list. Many of your posts are quite
> valuable.
>
> Yours in Christ,
>
> Ron Poire
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Farewell.
>
>
>> Joshua:
>>
>> I will say a few things here, to you and others -- although I probably
>> shouldn't.  I am not the moderator, but I am the list owner, and
>> ultimately responsible for everything that happens here.
>>
>> I will say that the majority of the list traffic is not what was intended
>> by the founders of the list.  They intended this list to be a place where
>> blind people could discuss their blindness and how it impacted on their
>> religious observances.  Specifically, people were finding that people in
>> their churches were not treating them as equals, because of their
>> blindness.
>>
>> For some time the list seems to primarily be a religious debating society.
>>
>> While I am not in favor of this -- I have nearly 200 lists to run and
>> watch, the division is not mine, and it can run its list as it sees fit,
>> as long as basic rules aren't violated.  The list description is pretty
>> general, and the current list use is permissible under it, as far as I can
>>
>> see.
>>
>> You don't want to hear it, probably, but it is not your beliefs that were
>> objected too, but how you pushed them on people.
>>
>> Now, here is my honest opinion -- that some people won't like, and I
>> reiterate that is just my opinion.  It seems to me that some religious
>> people know that they have the answer.  Either it is from faith, or God or
>>
>> whoever has spoken to them, but they feel they have the answer for
>> everyone.  Either they feel compelled to tell people, convert them etc.,
>> or feel the Bible instructs them to do so, so they go forth.
>>
>> And ... this of course rubs some people the other way, and others have
>> slightly different beliefs.
>>
>> I have to say that I don't always find Christians to be very tolerant of
>> others and their beliefs, and I would urge you to remember that everybody
>> doesn't believe as you do, and they aren't necessarily wrong.
>>
>> I will probably burn in hell -- so be it.  Whatever our beliefs, or lack
>> thereof, we still share much more than is different between us.
>> Especially because we are blind, and many of us belong to the NFB.
>>
>> David Andrews, List Owner
>>
>>
>> At 11:56 AM 6/14/2011, you wrote:
>>>It breaks my heart, that Linda took my posts the wrong way.
>>>She's the main reason.
>>>I'm not trying to get the big head, and act like I knew it all.
>>>I discovered this through intense studying of God's word, and I was
>>>trying to share the revelation.
>>>It's all a part of growing in God, and some people, I'm afraid don't
>>>want to study the scriptures that I've laid out there.
>>>I'll stay if things clear up, and lighten up.
>>>I want to see more stuff on my beliefs allowed on here, and I want the
>>>moderators to understand my heart and intent.
>>>All beliefs are accepted here, and I would appreciate it, if my
>>>beliefs would also be accepted.
>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>On 6/14/11, Alan Wheeler <awheeler65 at windstream.net> wrote:
>>> > Joshua,
>>> > If I gave you the impression you're not welcome here, I apologize. That
>>> >
>>> > was
>>> > never my intent. No one on this list should have done or said anything
>>> > to
>>> > make you feel unwelcome, and if they did, that really isn't fair.
>>> >
>>> > Please accept my invitation to stay, if you would.
>>> >
>>> > Alan
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> > [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> > On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:41 AM
>>> > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Farewell.
>>> >
>>> > Well, I want to let you know, that you haven't offended me.
>>> > everything's okay between us.
>>> > I'll ride this thread out, and then unsubscribe when I get another
>>> > forward.
>>> > I would like to talk to everyone on this list, and hear from them.
>>> > Blessings, Joshua
>>> >
>>> > On 6/14/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Joshua,
>>> >>   I, for one, am sad to see you go.  I hope I never made you feel
>>> >> unwelcome or unwanted-if I did I sincerely appologize.  Your beliefs
>>> >> make a lot of sense, you obviously know your Bible, and I'm sad you
>>> >> were made to feel unapreciated here  See you at convention, and God
>>> >> bless.
>>> >>   Kirt
>>> >>
>>> >> On 6/14/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> >>> It's almost been a year, since I subscribed to this list.
>>> >>> I've enjoyed my time here, but have found that I'm not welcome here.
>>> >>> It seems that my beliefs aren't welcome.
>>> >>> I'm unsubscribing from this list.
>>> >>> I love everyone of you, and I want to leave you in peace.
>>> >>> It's been nice knowing all of you, and I hope to see you at
>>> >>> convention, next year, but I'm not posting anymore.
>>> >>> Just one more thought about my beliefs before I go.
>>> >>> Revelation 4:2, tells us that there's only one throne in Heaven, and
>>> >>> one sits on that throne.
>>> >>> You can't have 3 people on one throne.
>>> >>> I wanted to share that, in my other discussions, but they got cut
>>> >>> off.
>>> >>> I'm leaving you with this.
>>> >>> Blessings, and goodbye.
>>> >>> Joshua Lester
>>
>>
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