[Faith-talk] weekly bible study - the difference between understanding the bible, and arrogance

Sat Mar 26 20:27:37 UTC 2011

I meant to say "at least a more complete surrender" instead of "at a
more complete surrender."  My appologies.
  Best,
Kirt

On 3/26/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> To all,
>   I guess I'll throw my two cents worth in here.  Even though I pretty
> much agree with the jist of what you both have said so far- we can't
> save ourselves, only through Christ are we sanctified, and that
> doesn't mean we just believe he'll save us and do nothing.  Works
> without faith don't save us.  But I think it's also important to
> remember, as James said, that faith without works is dead.  And the
> savior said in the book of John, "if ye love me, keep my
> commandments."  And repentence, in my opinion, involves a complete
> surrendering of our will to God...or at a more complete surrender than
> we're now granting.  I truly believe he covers the many gaps in our
> attempts to emulate him.  But it's important that we don't rely on
> faith alone to sanctify us.  Because, as the Lord says in Matthew when
> asked what manner of people we ought to be, "even as I am."  And
> although we will not be that kind of perfect in this life, it's
> important to remember that's the standard he's set and, eventually
> with his atoning grace, we'll reach it if we give him all we have
> (which takes a lot of effort), and let him remake us in his image.
> Just a thought.
>   Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 3/26/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> The problem with most "Christians," is that they've never changed
>> natures. The sin, (carnal,) nature dies when you repent. You've got to
>> get that carnal nature buried. How do you bury it? It's in water
>> baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, (see, Acts, 2:38.) I hate Bill
>> Gaither's song, "I'm Just A Sinner, Saved by Grace." Either you're a
>> sinner, or you're saved by grace. You cannot be both. In James, 1-7,
>> (I believe it is,) it says "A double minded man is unstable in all of
>> his ways." I'm no longer a sinner, I'm a child of God! I'm the
>> righteousness of God in Christ. My sin nature may stick it's ugly head
>> up, but it's my job to kkeep that flesh crucified. It's dead, I'm not
>> going to resurrect it. I'm dead to sin, and Christ lives in me. When
>> you kill that carnal nature at repentance, and bury it in baptism,
>> you've got to walk in the resurrection of Christ. That's the infilling
>> with the Holy Ghost in Acts, 2:4. If you don't have the experience of
>> receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit, I'd recommend it. Some
>> churches have it, but you need an Apostolic church that will teach and
>> practice the whole Acts, 2, experience. That's how to be saved. And
>> since Melody brought up Leviticus, the Bible says that the law was
>> given as a schoolmaster. Jesus didn't do away with the law, he
>> fulfilled it. The sacrificial law was done away with, but the moral
>> laws weren't The apostle Paul tells women, (for example,) in 1
>> Corinthians, 11, not to cut their hair. In the Greek, in verse 15, the
>> word "long," means uncut. Women cutting their hair goes against
>> scripture. That's not legalism, that's Bible. There are some things we
>> have to do, that's a part of keeping that carnal nature under
>> subjection like Paul was talking about.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 3/26/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Precisely.
>>>
>>> That's what I'm saying,
>>> on the one hand its not a license for going back to the same junk,
>>> and on the other it admits that we are not saints.
>>>
>>> That was exactly my point, though you said it better then I.
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jorge, the Bible says in 1, John 4, that "he that commiteth sins is of
>>>> the devil." Notice, that the sinner commits sin. A sin is a willfull
>>>> transgression against God. A saint, (on the other hand,) may stumble,
>>>> but it isn't sin, unless they let it go unrepented of. For instance,
>>>> when you get saved, it's not "O God I'm sorry," and go back to the
>>>> same junk. You may slip up, but God will forgive you if you repent.
>>>> You can't go on in the sin. Jesus said that the righteous fall 7
>>>> times, but they rise up again. God's grace is not a license to sin,
>>>> but power to overcome it. We can only overcome sin by the power of the
>>>> Holy Spirit. See, acts, 1:8.
>>>> The power isn't just to be witnesses, but it's power to overcome sin.
>>>> Seriously, how can you be a good witness, if you haven't repented of
>>>> your sins? That's one point about this verse. That's why we as
>>>> Apostolic Pentecostals stress holy living. Just go to Youtube, type in
>>>> Lee Stoneking, "Worldliness." His sermon on Worldliness is one that's
>>>> worth listening to. He shows us scriptures on how to overcome sin, so
>>>> all of us can learn not to be worldly.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 3/25/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi guys:
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought I would start writing a weekly bible reflection for you,
>>>>> and see what you all think.
>>>>> Just to provide some more food for thought,
>>>>> and my own input on what the bible says.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This week's verse:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am free from the law of sin and death (Romans 8:2)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an interesting verse,
>>>>> because it could be taken many different ways.
>>>>> But this is how I take it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't mean that we are perfect, it doesn't mean that we do not
>>>>> commit
>>>>> sins--just because it is written that way does not mean we are all the
>>>>> sudden angels.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, what it means is this: we WILL commit sins, in some form or other,
>>>>> but
>>>>> this is the crucial part.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have to understand that we may sin, but as long as we have faith
>>>>> and
>>>>> turn
>>>>> to God in repentance he will accept us. This doesn't mean commit sins
>>>>> on
>>>>> purpose--for that is the deed of an evil one, but to understand that
>>>>> we
>>>>> are
>>>>> merely humans.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a famous theologian put it,
>>>>> the believer "commits small sins and imagines them as a mountain"
>>>>> while
>>>>> the
>>>>> hypocrites commit large sins and consider them like "flies they can
>>>>> just
>>>>> swipe away."
>>>>>
>>>>> Who would commit more sins?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet it is not our sins, but who we sin against that is important here,
>>>>> and
>>>>> we have to understand that as long as we are willing to admit that we
>>>>> sin,
>>>>> as long as we turn to God he will forgive us.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And this may be the same conflict as when people tell you you're
>>>>> wrong--knowing you're wrong, or made a mistake is the worse thing
>>>>> because
>>>>> its the hardest thing to accept sometimes,
>>>>> yet its crucial for your wisdom to flourish.
>>>>> Could you imagine how tiring it would be if we never committed a
>>>>> single
>>>>> mistake? We'd never learn anything!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> So just remember, to always turn to God, and as long as we turn to him
>>>>> who
>>>>> created us in honest repentance we are forgiven as believers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Until next week,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jorge
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