[Faith-talk] My Take

Mon May 2 17:44:56 UTC 2011

To all,
  I, for one, very much enjoy this kind of discussion-it's a great
chance to learn and appreciate the viewpoints of others I've not
really been exposed to before.  I know sometimes our emotions get the
better of all of us, especially me, but I think this is a valuable
exchange of ideas and, honestly, very worthwhile.  However, I do
understand it's important not to hurt anyone's feelings- and I feel
like I should say my feelings haven't personally been hurt at all by
any of this discussion.  But Linda, if you want us to take this
off-list, then I'll shut up.  :)
  God bless,
Kirt

On 5/2/11, qubit <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Jeanette -- I know what you are saying, but the bible does support it.
> I think the push to get people to accept Christ in this life is a motivator
> to get people to get off their behind and try to be good examples of
> Christians.  But the Bible does state that the people living at the time of
> Noah were preached to when Jesus was out of the body -- I mean, in the day
> and a half between the crucifixion and the morning of Easter.  In fact, it
> says that these people were "sometime disobedient" when Noah built the ark.
> So there is an example from the bible.
> Read 1 Peter chapters 3 and 4.
>
> I'm sorry.    I was going to drop this thread.
> Have a wonderful day.
> --le
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeanette" <nettiecosp at yahoo.com>
> To: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>; "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith
> and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] My Take
>
>
> the major issue as i see it is that if you are going to use the bible as the
> inspired word of God, there is as i see it, no scripture to support a secnd
> chance after death.  i belive that our  all knowing and all loving god  has
> it all under control and our responsibility is to share the gospel, the true
> gospel that Christ is the way the truth and the life and no oe comes to the
> Father except through Him, the rest is up to god and i figure He really
> knows the truth and none of us do.
> saying all religions lead to heaven goes against everything the bible
> teaches, at least that is my understanding.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 7:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] My Take
>
>
>> Hi Linda -- actually I don't think Kirt said that all roads or religions
>> lead to heaven.    All he said was that the scriptures support -- even
>> state
>> explicitly -- that the gospel is preached to the dead.    In the Lazarus
>> story in Luke, the rich man is told that if his friends didn't accept or
>> believe the prophets, then they would not accept the trute even if someone
>> were raised from the dead.
>> Those were Jews who had the prophecies.  What of persons born in a place
>> where there is no chance of hearing of the Jewish and Christian
>> scriptures?
>> All I think Kirt is saying is that perhaps they will have been prepared in
>> other ways to know the truth, and some will be righteous and some not.  I
>> think the Lord knows about the needs of everyone and so why should there
>> be
>> a problem accepting that some will have an opportunity to hear the gospel
>> after death?  Also, do, perhaps there will be a lot for Christian
>> believers
>> to learn as well when Christ comes.
>> Finally, I don't know what you meant by including the Hebrews verse.  It
>> says man is appointed once to die.  I don't see the relevance, although it
>> seems to be proof against reincarnation.
>> Oh, and Kirt can answer about the BM, but I think the changes were things
>> like dividing into chapters and verses, inserting headings and index and
>> cross references, and a few minor typographical corrections.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------ Original Message -----
>> From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 9:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] My Take
>>
>>
>> Hi Curt,
>>
>> The Bible says otherwise concerning accepting Christ after death.
>> Please read Luke 16:19 through to the end of the chapter; John
>> Chapter 3, and Hebrews 9:27. All religeons do not lead to eternal
>> life in Heaven. There are many false teachers and many false
>> doctrines being taught. The Bible is the only book that is inspired
>> by God; see 2 Timothy 3:16.
>>
>> By the way, the book of Mormon has been revised since its first
>> writing, as in changed, updated.
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> At 09:06 PM 5/1/2011, you wrote:
>>>To all,
>>>   First off, I stand by all the opinions I've posted here thus far.  I
>>>do think Christ is the only way...but I think all the other wonderful
>>>divinely inspired religions out there prepare people to accept him
>>>after death.  This one can be argued every which way (and it has
>>>been), so I'll let it rest.  And, as to the Muslim question- I don't
>>>regret anything I said, only the confrontational manner in which I
>>>said it.
>>>   So to anyone I offended or insulted in the heat of my emotions- I am
>>>sincerely sorry.  We all have the right to have our opinions treated
>>>with respect and dignity.  Nobody should feel afraid to speak their
>>>mind because of fear their opinions may be insulted or belittled, and
>>>I think I came a little too close to crossing that line.  Please
>>>accept my sincere appologies...but also please understand that it
>>>isn't fair or right to insult or mock others, simply for believing
>>>differently.  I absolutely do not regret standing up for my dear
>>>Muslim friends-I'd do it again and I'm sure I'll probably have to many
>>>more times.  But I didn't have to make it personal, and I think I made
>>>that mistake.  So, I genuinely am sorry for any venom I added to the
>>>list, and I certainly didn't mean to mock anyone personally.
>>>   God bless,
>>>Kirt
>>>
>>>On 5/1/11, Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>> > Hi Laura,
>>> >
>>> > yes, it is a scary thought.
>>> >
>>> > Well, I take time from the computer to bond with my digital player!
>>> > Smile.
>>> >
>>> > At 06:59 AM 5/1/2011, you wrote:
>>> >>Hi Linda -- I like your take... I was wondering why your voice had not
>>> >>been
>>> >>heard in a while with all this discussion.
>>> >>Actually there are over a billion Islamic persons in the world, so even
>>> >>saying that only a third of them are out to get us is a scary thought.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>----- Original Message -----
>>> >>From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>>> >>To: <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:54 PM
>>> >>Subject: [Faith-talk] My Take
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >>Well, you all have been busy the last few days. I've had the computer
>>> >>off since Tuesday night, and I turned it on this afternoon to find
>>> >>all your posts.
>>> >>
>>> >>Now, let me say from the get-go that I'm an Independent Baptist, and
>>> >>am in a church where we use only the KJV during our worship services.
>>> >>According to the Bible, the heart is deceitful, and desperately
>>> >>wicked (Jeremiah 17:9), and our rightiousness is as filthy rags
>>> >>(Isaiah 64:6 I think). So, none of us is good enough to make it to
>>> >>heaven. Only by the grace of God through Jesus Christ, the one and
>>> >>only Mediator between God and man, can we become heirs with Christ.
>>> >>Ephesians tells us, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that
>>> >>not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man
>>> >>should boast. When Christ lives in us, we want to do good works; but
>>> >>our works won't do anything to earn us a place in heaven.  If
>>> >>everyone was guaranteed a place, there would be no need for a
>>> >>Saviour, and His sacrifice would be cheapened.
>>> >>
>>> >>In the Old Testament, there were many who were the type of Christ,
>>> >>but they were under the law, and had to sacrifice a lamb, or whatever
>>> >>they could afford, such as a dove or pigeon. Christ became that Lamb,
>>> >>and paid the price for our sin. Most people will not be in heaven;
>>> >>narrow is the way, and few there are who walk in it.
>>> >>
>>> >>We are not to judge others, but we can know many things about them if
>>> >>we know our Bibles, and compare ourselves and others to what our Lord
>>> >>has given us--His example in Christ. There is none righteous, no, not
>>> >>one.
>>> >>
>>> >>Just as there are many different Christian churches, there are many
>>> >>different degrees of Muslem, and so forth. Only about one-third of
>>> >>the Muslems are radical Muslems, those who will do what they believe
>>> >>they must to irradicate infidels from off the face of the earth. They
>>> >>believe that they will rule, and the infedels are Christians and
>>> >>Jews; therefore, they want to wipe Israel (the little Satan) and the
>>> >>United States (the big Satan) off the map. Also, the Koran keeps
>>> >>changing, and not all English translations are what the Arabic really
>>> >>says. Pay attention to the news, and you will understand more. And,
>>> >>read the book I suggested.
>>> >>
>>> >>There is much more that I could say, but I'll stop with this: this
>>> >>list is for the discussion of faith, but please take care not to
>>> >>argue with each other. And, please change the subject lines! Smile.
>>> >>
>>> >>Blessings,
>>> >>
>>> >>Linda
>>> >>
>>> >>
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