[Faith-talk] feeling like i am not important

Mon Nov 7 04:10:06 UTC 2011

Please call the Hadley School for the Blind and talk to someone there.  They 
do help in Canada.  The number is 1-800-323-4238.  Please call.  They have 
wonderful classes.
God bless,
Felicia

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From: "Andrew Edgcumbe" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:08 PM
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] feeling like i am not important

> I have checked and there is no training centers in canada at all.
>
> They have cut that all out in canada and things like that.
> The thing is  there is really no programming for the blind  that i can
> find anyway at all.
>
> On 11/6/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> well, Andrew. You definitely need to learn braille if you cannot read 
>> print;
>> and if you're completely blind, you cannot.
>> You can learn that via hadley school for the blind distance ed classes; 
>> and
>> I think Canada residents can take them; ask them to be sure.
>> Next, I don't think you should go to a church which doesn't welcome you.
>> Tell your parents you don't want to go. Then if they won't drive you to a
>> different, more accepting church, then find one yourself via the 
>> internet;
>> some churches have either live streaming of their services or recorded
>> sermons. Listen to them and if you like them, ask for a ride and go in
>> person.
>>
>> You shouldn't feel you need to attend a church just because your parents 
>> do,
>> especially if you're an adult.
>> There are many ways to feel religious; read the bible; join a virtual
>> Christian community read a devotional. you don't need to attend a church;
>> listen to sermons online or on the radio or tv.
>>
>> Find what feels right to you and stick with  it. But you first need to 
>> feel
>> assertive.
>> Don't go to the church if it doesn't meet your needs. And you probably 
>> could
>> benefit from a training center; surely there are centers for the blind in
>> Cananda. With more mobility skills and living near a bus line, you can be
>> independent.
>>
>> I depend on parents actually as well since I live with them. But they
>> respect my decision whether to attend church or whatever the event is.
>>
>> ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Edgcumbe
>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:01 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] feeling like i am not important
>>
>> Well changing church is not an option i go that particular church
>> because my parents go there I don't have the independence of a blind
>> person should have because i live in a very rural area and things
>> closest town is about an 20 minutes from me.
>>
>> On 11/6/11, Ryan Kwaak <kwaakproductions at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> If that's how it's gonna be, then leave the church. If I were in that
>>> position, I'd tale my pastor aside and see if he's authorizing this
>>> kind of nonsense. If he's going to stand by and let this happen, hit
>>> him with 1 Corinthians 12:22-25. Rather than quote it, I'll just say
>>> that in this passage Paul makes the case that even the members of the
>>> body which we think are less worthy of honor are necessary. Hope this
>>> helps.
>>>
>>> On 11/6/11, Andrew Edgcumbe <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Ashley I know what you are saying I can't read braille hymn nals
>>>> the school for the blind in canada that is where I am from said that I
>>>> don't need my grade 2 braille and most things are in grade 2 braille
>>>> and things.
>>>>
>>>> I live in a fairly rural area so I depend on my parents so I have no
>>>> choice  but to go to the church i am going to now.
>>>> I  just feel that best thing I can do is just not do anything.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/6/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> well, either educate them  and make accomodations. Like for instance,
>>>>> many
>>>>> church hymnals come in braille, if you read braille; you could 
>>>>> probably
>>>>> get
>>>>> news like your sunday bulletin in email. Or find a new church. What a
>>>>> terrible attitude that
>>>>> the pastor has. Also if you give specifics, maybe we'll have
>>>>> suggestions.
>>>>> Unfortunately, some people assume we cannot participate or enjoy
>>>>> something
>>>>> due to the visuals, but we can with a description or another
>>>>> accomodation.
>>>>> They just don't know that though. Like many people say, oh how can you
>>>>> enjoy
>>>>> a movie or play? They don't know those can be audio described and some
>>>>> films/plays are already descriptive enough via dialogue to follow 
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I suggest if you felt this way a while to get some help. Perhaps
>>>>> some
>>>>> counseling would help you feel better. Talk therapy, or psychotherapy,
>>>>> helps
>>>>> many people feel better.
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Andrew Edgcumbe
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:20 PM
>>>>> To: Faith-talk
>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] feeling like i am not important
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>> I am just feeling some what discourraged to night and things.
>>>>>
>>>>> I been feeling like i am not really important to anybody at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am just struggling reguarding my church  One of my pastors  told me
>>>>> that everything is visual and he just said there is nothing for me i
>>>>> can even do because of the visual stuff in church and things.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just feel like i get treated so differently because of my blindness
>>>>> and things I am sick of being blind I am sick of being  held back by
>>>>> others I been feeling like I been told to just sit back and do
>>>>> nothing.
>>>>> I just feel like i don't really belong anywhere because of the way
>>>>> the blind get treated.
>>>>>
>>>>> My church really does not give me the chance to use my gifts and
>>>>> tallents and things.
>>>>>
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