[Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles

Wed Nov 16 03:47:56 UTC 2011

where might i find online text bibles?

On 11/15/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Bethlehem is in Israel.
> The Strong's Concordence was written by a guy named Strong.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 11/15/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> Ah, yes. I see reference to Persia and knew it changed names now. So it is
>> Iran now. I knew Iran existed, but did not know what cities in the Bible
>> were in it.
>> Its something that Iran and Iraq have more Muslims now, but once were
>> Christian territory.
>> Are those two bordering each other?
>> Does anyone know if the places of worship referenced in the Bible,
>> especially Old testament, are still standing? Or were they torn down over
>> the years for new stuff or destroyed in wars?
>>
>> Also where is Bethleham? I know some devout Christians have made a
>> pilgrimage to Jerusalem and areas around it despite the uncertainty over
>> there.
>>
>> When you say Strong's is that a guy's name, the author of it?
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:56 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles
>>
>> Nazareth is located in Israel.
>> Persia is now Iran.
>> Babylon is now Iraq.
>> The Garden of Eden is in Iran.
>> As far as concordences, Strong's is the best.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 11/15/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> So then, the KJ version is  early modern english and the NKJ  is a modern
>>> english translation.
>>> I don't understand "thee's" and "thou's" so glad that was done away with.
>>> I agree with the translator of it that
>>> archaic language is how to understand but unfamiliar vocabulary can be
>>> learned. Such reading gives us a sense of what early writers meant as
>>> they
>>> wrote the Bible.
>>>
>>> So  what resources do you all use for vocab or Bible
>>> interpretation/knowledge? For instance, I don't want to admit this but
>>> will.
>>> I cannot picture what the Tabernacle is when I read about Moses or what
>>> anointed means.
>>>
>>> Also, I'm wondering about the geography. Where are these places in the
>>> Bible? I know that some of it is now Iraq and some of it is Israel.
>>> Today,
>>> is there such a place called Nazerith where Jesus went?
>>> I'd certainly like some tips so I can better understand and picture the
>>> bible setting.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Ashley
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Doris and Chris
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:24 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles
>>>
>>> Yes, the NKJV is a modern English translation. It
>>> mainly updated the archaic language and word
>>> forms and did away wiht the "thee's" and
>>> "thou's"  and also updated some of the language
>>> whose meaning has changed over the centuries.
>>> However, the majority of the words and language
>>> of the origional KJV was maintained, one of the
>>> philosophies being that unfamiliar vocabulary
>>> could and should belearned while archaic language
>>> and word forms  are hard to understand.
>>>
>>> If you can find the  preface , translation notes
>>> and such online, it will make for quite
>>> intersting reading. Bible Gateway should have at
>>> least some of this as should Thomas Nelson as the publisher of the NKJV.
>>>
>>> You guys are so blessed with the variety of English translations!
>>>
>>> hth
>>>
>>> Doris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 08:11 PM 11/15/2011 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>Hi, Wow if it was 1982 its recent. I know the New king james was not
>>>>really
>>>>
>>>>rewritten but updated/translated with modern words. Early modern English
>>>>still used thou, thee, and thy. I recall from reading Shakespeare. Early
>>>>English sounds like a different language; I listened to it in
>>>>intercultural
>>>>
>>>>communication. It sounds very foreign. Middle English we recognize more
>>>> of
>>>>the words we have now and familiar grammar and syntax. Okay so if King
>>>>James is early modern English, what is the New King James written in?
>>>>Standard English we know today? If it was copyright 1982 I suspect that.
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>was translated to words we know today. If I remember correctly, before
>>>>translated to English in the Middle Ages, the Bible was in Latin.
>>>>Theerefore scholars and monks could only read it. Then I think Greek and
>>>>German came next. Then Guttenberg copied the bible with his invention of
>>>>the printing press. Prior to that, monks transcribed then by hand and
>>>> they
>>>>were so valuable that they were either locked, stored, or chained up to
>>>>prevent it from being stolen. Thanks for explaining. Ashley I found King
>>>>James hard to understand, but may give New king james a try since you say
>>>>it was -----Original Message----- From: Doris and Chris Sent: Tuesday,
>>>>November 15, 2011 7:34 PM To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>>religion Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles Copyright
>>>> for
>>>>the nkjv is with Thomas Nelson 1982. It was not really "written" as much
>>>>as
>>>>
>>>>it was tranlsated and revised, which is a process that usually takes
>>>>several years. The English used in the KJV or Shakespeare is not Middle
>>>>but
>>>>
>>>>early modern English. When reading Middle English, you will not
>>>> understand
>>>>nearly as much as with Shakespearean or KJV English. Even for me as a
>>>>non-native speaker, the kjv and Shakespeare are quite readable and
>>>>enjoyable.The difficulty does not lie as much with the readability of the
>>>>language as in some changes in usage that make some passages unclear.
>>>>additionally, while at the top of scholarship at their time, more modern
>>>>translations have access to earlier manuscripts, i.e. earlier to to the
>>>>time of the early church and the earliest versions of Christian writings,
>>>>which by some scholars are considered more reliable as there was less of
>>>> a
>>>>chance of transcription   errors being made than with later versions.
>>>>Finally, modern translationscan take into accounts the most recent
>>>>findings
>>>>
>>>>of archeology and Biblical scholarship. For example, while the original
>>>>RSV
>>>>
>>>>(Revised Standard Version 1947/52) is still considered one of the best
>>>>scholarly and most widely accepted translations, it did not - could not -
>>>>take into accounts recent discoveries as the Dead Sea scrolls as those
>>>> had
>>>>just been discovered in the late 1940's. hth and God Bless, Doris At
>>>> 07:08
>>>>PM 11/15/2011 -0500, you wrote: >Do you know when the New king James was
>>>>written? The king James was written >in 1600s I think and uses middle
>>>>English, kind of like reading Shakespeare. >Ashley -----Original
>>>>Message----- >From: Paul Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:58 PM To:
>>>>Faith-talk,for the >discussion of faith and religion Subject: Re:
>>>>[Faith-talk] audio Bibles >Ashley and all, a portable Bible that many
>>>> have
>>>>recommended is something >called the BibleCourier available from the
>>>>Lutheran Braille Evangelism >Association in White Bear Lake, Minnesota.
>>>>You can call them for prices >and versions at 651-426-0469 or go to their
>>>>website at http://www.lbea.org. >As to the New King James Version, it
>>>>still
>>>>
>>>>retains some of the language of >the old KJV but with some modern
>>>>renderings which make the meaning of some >words clearer.  For instance
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>word "prevent" actually means precede, and >there are other similar
>>>>modifications.  But all pronouns referring to God, >The Father, Son and
>>>>Holy Spirit are capitalized as in the KJV for two main >reasons, one to
>>>>show respect to our Almighty God and also to clarify their >meaning which
>>>>could be made more confusing without the capital letters.  In >Braille
>>>>it's
>>>>
>>>>available from Braille Bibles International
>>>> >(http://www.braillebibles.org.
>>>>
>>>>It is also available from Bible Gateway >and, I believe, even a
>>>>BibleCourier version of the nKJV is available.  Hope >that helps.
>>>> Paul ----- >Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>><bookwormahb at earthlink.net> >To: "for the discussion of faith and
>>>> religion
>>>>Faith-talk" ><faith-talk at nfbnet.org> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 5:20
>>>>PM Subject: >[Faith-talk] audio Bibles > Hi all, > > Where can I get
>>>> audio
>>>>bibles? I am >thinking either CD or Mp3 format. > I also thought there
>>>> was
>>>>something that >contained the bible in one device > called a Pocket Bible
>>>>or something like >that. > I have the Niv in braille. IÃ¢€™d like the
>>>> Good
>>>>News Bible. Also, >anyonyone read > the New King James? I know the King
>>>>James is in older >English, but do not > know if the New King James is is
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>more modern >version or is easier to > understand. > I might want that
>>>>version too. Not >sure. > > > Everyone else can have a bible in their
>>>>purse
>>>>
>>>>and  its >portable. Braille > is not that portable though. But audio
>>>> would
>>>>be. > > >Ashley > > _______________________________________________ >
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