[Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles
Joshua Lester
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Wed Nov 16 04:02:27 UTC 2011
I don't know about text Bibles, but check out www.biblegateway.com.
BTW, Jessica, welcome to the list!
Please post your introduction.
Thanks, Joshua
On 11/15/11, Jessica Pitzer <rolosgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> where might i find online text bibles?
>
> On 11/15/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Bethlehem is in Israel.
>> The Strong's Concordence was written by a guy named Strong.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 11/15/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> Ah, yes. I see reference to Persia and knew it changed names now. So it
>>> is
>>> Iran now. I knew Iran existed, but did not know what cities in the Bible
>>> were in it.
>>> Its something that Iran and Iraq have more Muslims now, but once were
>>> Christian territory.
>>> Are those two bordering each other?
>>> Does anyone know if the places of worship referenced in the Bible,
>>> especially Old testament, are still standing? Or were they torn down over
>>> the years for new stuff or destroyed in wars?
>>>
>>> Also where is Bethleham? I know some devout Christians have made a
>>> pilgrimage to Jerusalem and areas around it despite the uncertainty over
>>> there.
>>>
>>> When you say Strong's is that a guy's name, the author of it?
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:56 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles
>>>
>>> Nazareth is located in Israel.
>>> Persia is now Iran.
>>> Babylon is now Iraq.
>>> The Garden of Eden is in Iran.
>>> As far as concordences, Strong's is the best.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 11/15/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> So then, the KJ version is early modern english and the NKJ is a
>>>> modern
>>>> english translation.
>>>> I don't understand "thee's" and "thou's" so glad that was done away
>>>> with.
>>>> I agree with the translator of it that
>>>> archaic language is how to understand but unfamiliar vocabulary can be
>>>> learned. Such reading gives us a sense of what early writers meant as
>>>> they
>>>> wrote the Bible.
>>>>
>>>> So what resources do you all use for vocab or Bible
>>>> interpretation/knowledge? For instance, I don't want to admit this but
>>>> will.
>>>> I cannot picture what the Tabernacle is when I read about Moses or what
>>>> anointed means.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I'm wondering about the geography. Where are these places in the
>>>> Bible? I know that some of it is now Iraq and some of it is Israel.
>>>> Today,
>>>> is there such a place called Nazerith where Jesus went?
>>>> I'd certainly like some tips so I can better understand and picture the
>>>> bible setting.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Ashley
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Doris and Chris
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:24 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the NKJV is a modern English translation. It
>>>> mainly updated the archaic language and word
>>>> forms and did away wiht the "thee's" and
>>>> "thou's" and also updated some of the language
>>>> whose meaning has changed over the centuries.
>>>> However, the majority of the words and language
>>>> of the origional KJV was maintained, one of the
>>>> philosophies being that unfamiliar vocabulary
>>>> could and should belearned while archaic language
>>>> and word forms are hard to understand.
>>>>
>>>> If you can find the preface , translation notes
>>>> and such online, it will make for quite
>>>> intersting reading. Bible Gateway should have at
>>>> least some of this as should Thomas Nelson as the publisher of the NKJV.
>>>>
>>>> You guys are so blessed with the variety of English translations!
>>>>
>>>> hth
>>>>
>>>> Doris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 08:11 PM 11/15/2011 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>>Hi, Wow if it was 1982 its recent. I know the New king james was not
>>>>>really
>>>>>
>>>>>rewritten but updated/translated with modern words. Early modern English
>>>>>still used thou, thee, and thy. I recall from reading Shakespeare. Early
>>>>>English sounds like a different language; I listened to it in
>>>>>intercultural
>>>>>
>>>>>communication. It sounds very foreign. Middle English we recognize more
>>>>> of
>>>>>the words we have now and familiar grammar and syntax. Okay so if King
>>>>>James is early modern English, what is the New King James written in?
>>>>>Standard English we know today? If it was copyright 1982 I suspect that.
>>>>>it
>>>>>
>>>>>was translated to words we know today. If I remember correctly, before
>>>>>translated to English in the Middle Ages, the Bible was in Latin.
>>>>>Theerefore scholars and monks could only read it. Then I think Greek and
>>>>>German came next. Then Guttenberg copied the bible with his invention of
>>>>>the printing press. Prior to that, monks transcribed then by hand and
>>>>> they
>>>>>were so valuable that they were either locked, stored, or chained up to
>>>>>prevent it from being stolen. Thanks for explaining. Ashley I found King
>>>>>James hard to understand, but may give New king james a try since you
>>>>> say
>>>>>it was -----Original Message----- From: Doris and Chris Sent: Tuesday,
>>>>>November 15, 2011 7:34 PM To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>religion Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles Copyright
>>>>> for
>>>>>the nkjv is with Thomas Nelson 1982. It was not really "written" as much
>>>>>as
>>>>>
>>>>>it was tranlsated and revised, which is a process that usually takes
>>>>>several years. The English used in the KJV or Shakespeare is not Middle
>>>>>but
>>>>>
>>>>>early modern English. When reading Middle English, you will not
>>>>> understand
>>>>>nearly as much as with Shakespearean or KJV English. Even for me as a
>>>>>non-native speaker, the kjv and Shakespeare are quite readable and
>>>>>enjoyable.The difficulty does not lie as much with the readability of
>>>>> the
>>>>>language as in some changes in usage that make some passages unclear.
>>>>>additionally, while at the top of scholarship at their time, more modern
>>>>>translations have access to earlier manuscripts, i.e. earlier to to the
>>>>>time of the early church and the earliest versions of Christian
>>>>> writings,
>>>>>which by some scholars are considered more reliable as there was less of
>>>>> a
>>>>>chance of transcription errors being made than with later versions.
>>>>>Finally, modern translationscan take into accounts the most recent
>>>>>findings
>>>>>
>>>>>of archeology and Biblical scholarship. For example, while the original
>>>>>RSV
>>>>>
>>>>>(Revised Standard Version 1947/52) is still considered one of the best
>>>>>scholarly and most widely accepted translations, it did not - could not
>>>>> -
>>>>>take into accounts recent discoveries as the Dead Sea scrolls as those
>>>>> had
>>>>>just been discovered in the late 1940's. hth and God Bless, Doris At
>>>>> 07:08
>>>>>PM 11/15/2011 -0500, you wrote: >Do you know when the New king James was
>>>>>written? The king James was written >in 1600s I think and uses middle
>>>>>English, kind of like reading Shakespeare. >Ashley -----Original
>>>>>Message----- >From: Paul Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:58 PM To:
>>>>>Faith-talk,for the >discussion of faith and religion Subject: Re:
>>>>>[Faith-talk] audio Bibles >Ashley and all, a portable Bible that many
>>>>> have
>>>>>recommended is something >called the BibleCourier available from the
>>>>>Lutheran Braille Evangelism >Association in White Bear Lake, Minnesota.
>>>>>You can call them for prices >and versions at 651-426-0469 or go to
>>>>> their
>>>>>website at http://www.lbea.org. >As to the New King James Version, it
>>>>>still
>>>>>
>>>>>retains some of the language of >the old KJV but with some modern
>>>>>renderings which make the meaning of some >words clearer. For instance
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>word "prevent" actually means precede, and >there are other similar
>>>>>modifications. But all pronouns referring to God, >The Father, Son and
>>>>>Holy Spirit are capitalized as in the KJV for two main >reasons, one to
>>>>>show respect to our Almighty God and also to clarify their >meaning
>>>>> which
>>>>>could be made more confusing without the capital letters. In >Braille
>>>>>it's
>>>>>
>>>>>available from Braille Bibles International
>>>>> >(http://www.braillebibles.org.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is also available from Bible Gateway >and, I believe, even a
>>>>>BibleCourier version of the nKJV is available. Hope >that helps.
>>>>> Paul ----- >Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>>><bookwormahb at earthlink.net> >To: "for the discussion of faith and
>>>>> religion
>>>>>Faith-talk" ><faith-talk at nfbnet.org> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011
>>>>> 5:20
>>>>>PM Subject: >[Faith-talk] audio Bibles > Hi all, > > Where can I get
>>>>> audio
>>>>>bibles? I am >thinking either CD or Mp3 format. > I also thought there
>>>>> was
>>>>>something that >contained the bible in one device > called a Pocket
>>>>> Bible
>>>>>or something like >that. > I have the Niv in braille. I̢۪d like the
>>>>> Good
>>>>>News Bible. Also, >anyonyone read > the New King James? I know the King
>>>>>James is in older >English, but do not > know if the New King James is
>>>>> is
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>more modern >version or is easier to > understand. > I might want that
>>>>>version too. Not >sure. > > > Everyone else can have a bible in their
>>>>>purse
>>>>>
>>>>>and its >portable. Braille > is not that portable though. But audio
>>>>> would
>>>>>be. > > >Ashley > > _______________________________________________ >
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