[Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles

Wed Nov 16 11:01:35 UTC 2011

No, Bethlehem is in the West Bank area, not in Israel.  Paul
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From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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Bethlehem is in Israel.
The Strong's Concordence was written by a guy named Strong.
Blessings, Joshua

On 11/15/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Ah, yes. I see reference to Persia and knew it changed names now. So it is
> Iran now. I knew Iran existed, but did not know what cities in the Bible
> were in it.
> Its something that Iran and Iraq have more Muslims now, but once were
> Christian territory.
> Are those two bordering each other?
> Does anyone know if the places of worship referenced in the Bible,
> especially Old testament, are still standing? Or were they torn down over
> the years for new stuff or destroyed in wars?
>
> Also where is Bethleham? I know some devout Christians have made a
> pilgrimage to Jerusalem and areas around it despite the uncertainty over
> there.
>
> When you say Strong's is that a guy's name, the author of it?
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:56 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles
>
> Nazareth is located in Israel.
> Persia is now Iran.
> Babylon is now Iraq.
> The Garden of Eden is in Iran.
> As far as concordences, Strong's is the best.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 11/15/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> So then, the KJ version is  early modern english and the NKJ  is a modern
>> english translation.
>> I don't understand "thee's" and "thou's" so glad that was done away with.
>> I agree with the translator of it that
>> archaic language is how to understand but unfamiliar vocabulary can be
>> learned. Such reading gives us a sense of what early writers meant as 
>> they
>> wrote the Bible.
>>
>> So  what resources do you all use for vocab or Bible
>> interpretation/knowledge? For instance, I don't want to admit this but
>> will.
>> I cannot picture what the Tabernacle is when I read about Moses or what
>> anointed means.
>>
>> Also, I'm wondering about the geography. Where are these places in the
>> Bible? I know that some of it is now Iraq and some of it is Israel. 
>> Today,
>> is there such a place called Nazerith where Jesus went?
>> I'd certainly like some tips so I can better understand and picture the
>> bible setting.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Doris and Chris
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:24 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles
>>
>> Yes, the NKJV is a modern English translation. It
>> mainly updated the archaic language and word
>> forms and did away wiht the "thee's" and
>> "thou's"  and also updated some of the language
>> whose meaning has changed over the centuries.
>> However, the majority of the words and language
>> of the origional KJV was maintained, one of the
>> philosophies being that unfamiliar vocabulary
>> could and should belearned while archaic language
>> and word forms  are hard to understand.
>>
>> If you can find the  preface , translation notes
>> and such online, it will make for quite
>> intersting reading. Bible Gateway should have at
>> least some of this as should Thomas Nelson as the publisher of the NKJV.
>>
>> You guys are so blessed with the variety of English translations!
>>
>> hth
>>
>> Doris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 08:11 PM 11/15/2011 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Hi, Wow if it was 1982 its recent. I know the New king james was not
>>>really
>>>
>>>rewritten but updated/translated with modern words. Early modern English
>>>still used thou, thee, and thy. I recall from reading Shakespeare. Early
>>>English sounds like a different language; I listened to it in
>>>intercultural
>>>
>>>communication. It sounds very foreign. Middle English we recognize more 
>>>of
>>>the words we have now and familiar grammar and syntax. Okay so if King
>>>James is early modern English, what is the New King James written in?
>>>Standard English we know today? If it was copyright 1982 I suspect that.
>>>it
>>>
>>>was translated to words we know today. If I remember correctly, before
>>>translated to English in the Middle Ages, the Bible was in Latin.
>>>Theerefore scholars and monks could only read it. Then I think Greek and
>>>German came next. Then Guttenberg copied the bible with his invention of
>>>the printing press. Prior to that, monks transcribed then by hand and 
>>>they
>>>were so valuable that they were either locked, stored, or chained up to
>>>prevent it from being stolen. Thanks for explaining. Ashley I found King
>>>James hard to understand, but may give New king james a try since you say
>>>it was -----Original Message----- From: Doris and Chris Sent: Tuesday,
>>>November 15, 2011 7:34 PM To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>religion Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles Copyright 
>>>for
>>>the nkjv is with Thomas Nelson 1982. It was not really "written" as much
>>>as
>>>
>>>it was tranlsated and revised, which is a process that usually takes
>>>several years. The English used in the KJV or Shakespeare is not Middle
>>>but
>>>
>>>early modern English. When reading Middle English, you will not 
>>>understand
>>>nearly as much as with Shakespearean or KJV English. Even for me as a
>>>non-native speaker, the kjv and Shakespeare are quite readable and
>>>enjoyable.The difficulty does not lie as much with the readability of the
>>>language as in some changes in usage that make some passages unclear.
>>>additionally, while at the top of scholarship at their time, more modern
>>>translations have access to earlier manuscripts, i.e. earlier to to the
>>>time of the early church and the earliest versions of Christian writings,
>>>which by some scholars are considered more reliable as there was less of 
>>>a
>>>chance of transcription   errors being made than with later versions.
>>>Finally, modern translationscan take into accounts the most recent
>>>findings
>>>
>>>of archeology and Biblical scholarship. For example, while the original
>>>RSV
>>>
>>>(Revised Standard Version 1947/52) is still considered one of the best
>>>scholarly and most widely accepted translations, it did not - could not -
>>>take into accounts recent discoveries as the Dead Sea scrolls as those 
>>>had
>>>just been discovered in the late 1940's. hth and God Bless, Doris At 
>>>07:08
>>>PM 11/15/2011 -0500, you wrote: >Do you know when the New king James was
>>>written? The king James was written >in 1600s I think and uses middle
>>>English, kind of like reading Shakespeare. >Ashley -----Original
>>>Message----- >From: Paul Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:58 PM To:
>>>Faith-talk,for the >discussion of faith and religion Subject: Re:
>>>[Faith-talk] audio Bibles >Ashley and all, a portable Bible that many 
>>>have
>>>recommended is something >called the BibleCourier available from the
>>>Lutheran Braille Evangelism >Association in White Bear Lake, Minnesota.
>>>You can call them for prices >and versions at 651-426-0469 or go to their
>>>website at http://www.lbea.org. >As to the New King James Version, it
>>>still
>>>
>>>retains some of the language of >the old KJV but with some modern
>>>renderings which make the meaning of some >words clearer.  For instance
>>>the
>>>
>>>word "prevent" actually means precede, and >there are other similar
>>>modifications.  But all pronouns referring to God, >The Father, Son and
>>>Holy Spirit are capitalized as in the KJV for two main >reasons, one to
>>>show respect to our Almighty God and also to clarify their >meaning which
>>>could be made more confusing without the capital letters.  In >Braille
>>>it's
>>>
>>>available from Braille Bibles International
>>> >(http://www.braillebibles.org.
>>>
>>>It is also available from Bible Gateway >and, I believe, even a
>>>BibleCourier version of the nKJV is available.  Hope >that helps.
>>> Paul ----- >Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>><bookwormahb at earthlink.net> >To: "for the discussion of faith and 
>>>religion
>>>Faith-talk" ><faith-talk at nfbnet.org> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 5:20
>>>PM Subject: >[Faith-talk] audio Bibles > Hi all, > > Where can I get 
>>>audio
>>>bibles? I am >thinking either CD or Mp3 format. > I also thought there 
>>>was
>>>something that >contained the bible in one device > called a Pocket Bible
>>>or something like >that. > I have the Niv in braille. IÃ¢€™d like the 
>>>Good
>>>News Bible. Also, >anyonyone read > the New King James? I know the King
>>>James is in older >English, but do not > know if the New King James is is
>>>a
>>>
>>>more modern >version or is easier to > understand. > I might want that
>>>version too. Not >sure. > > > Everyone else can have a bible in their
>>>purse
>>>
>>>and  its >portable. Braille > is not that portable though. But audio 
>>>would
>>>be. > > >Ashley > > _______________________________________________ >
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