[Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles
Jessica Pitzer
rolosgirl at gmail.com
Wed Nov 16 04:14:29 UTC 2011
I'm from north carolina bu about to move to florida in a few months. I
live with my 7 week old son Noah, my mom, step dad, and my fiancee
Stefen. Our 3 dogs Lily Sosha and Shiloh. I'm also goign to be getting
a home trained guide dog pretty soon I hope.
Jessica
On 11/15/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> I don't know about text Bibles, but check out www.biblegateway.com.
> BTW, Jessica, welcome to the list!
> Please post your introduction.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 11/15/11, Jessica Pitzer <rolosgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> where might i find online text bibles?
>>
>> On 11/15/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> Bethlehem is in Israel.
>>> The Strong's Concordence was written by a guy named Strong.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 11/15/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Joshua,
>>>> Ah, yes. I see reference to Persia and knew it changed names now. So it
>>>> is
>>>> Iran now. I knew Iran existed, but did not know what cities in the Bible
>>>> were in it.
>>>> Its something that Iran and Iraq have more Muslims now, but once were
>>>> Christian territory.
>>>> Are those two bordering each other?
>>>> Does anyone know if the places of worship referenced in the Bible,
>>>> especially Old testament, are still standing? Or were they torn down
>>>> over
>>>> the years for new stuff or destroyed in wars?
>>>>
>>>> Also where is Bethleham? I know some devout Christians have made a
>>>> pilgrimage to Jerusalem and areas around it despite the uncertainty over
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> When you say Strong's is that a guy's name, the author of it?
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:56 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles
>>>>
>>>> Nazareth is located in Israel.
>>>> Persia is now Iran.
>>>> Babylon is now Iraq.
>>>> The Garden of Eden is in Iran.
>>>> As far as concordences, Strong's is the best.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 11/15/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> So then, the KJ version is early modern english and the NKJ is a
>>>>> modern
>>>>> english translation.
>>>>> I don't understand "thee's" and "thou's" so glad that was done away
>>>>> with.
>>>>> I agree with the translator of it that
>>>>> archaic language is how to understand but unfamiliar vocabulary can be
>>>>> learned. Such reading gives us a sense of what early writers meant as
>>>>> they
>>>>> wrote the Bible.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what resources do you all use for vocab or Bible
>>>>> interpretation/knowledge? For instance, I don't want to admit this but
>>>>> will.
>>>>> I cannot picture what the Tabernacle is when I read about Moses or what
>>>>> anointed means.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I'm wondering about the geography. Where are these places in the
>>>>> Bible? I know that some of it is now Iraq and some of it is Israel.
>>>>> Today,
>>>>> is there such a place called Nazerith where Jesus went?
>>>>> I'd certainly like some tips so I can better understand and picture the
>>>>> bible setting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Doris and Chris
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:24 PM
>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the NKJV is a modern English translation. It
>>>>> mainly updated the archaic language and word
>>>>> forms and did away wiht the "thee's" and
>>>>> "thou's" and also updated some of the language
>>>>> whose meaning has changed over the centuries.
>>>>> However, the majority of the words and language
>>>>> of the origional KJV was maintained, one of the
>>>>> philosophies being that unfamiliar vocabulary
>>>>> could and should belearned while archaic language
>>>>> and word forms are hard to understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can find the preface , translation notes
>>>>> and such online, it will make for quite
>>>>> intersting reading. Bible Gateway should have at
>>>>> least some of this as should Thomas Nelson as the publisher of the
>>>>> NKJV.
>>>>>
>>>>> You guys are so blessed with the variety of English translations!
>>>>>
>>>>> hth
>>>>>
>>>>> Doris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 08:11 PM 11/15/2011 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>>>Hi, Wow if it was 1982 its recent. I know the New king james was not
>>>>>>really
>>>>>>
>>>>>>rewritten but updated/translated with modern words. Early modern
>>>>>> English
>>>>>>still used thou, thee, and thy. I recall from reading Shakespeare.
>>>>>> Early
>>>>>>English sounds like a different language; I listened to it in
>>>>>>intercultural
>>>>>>
>>>>>>communication. It sounds very foreign. Middle English we recognize more
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>the words we have now and familiar grammar and syntax. Okay so if King
>>>>>>James is early modern English, what is the New King James written in?
>>>>>>Standard English we know today? If it was copyright 1982 I suspect
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>was translated to words we know today. If I remember correctly, before
>>>>>>translated to English in the Middle Ages, the Bible was in Latin.
>>>>>>Theerefore scholars and monks could only read it. Then I think Greek
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>German came next. Then Guttenberg copied the bible with his invention
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>the printing press. Prior to that, monks transcribed then by hand and
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>were so valuable that they were either locked, stored, or chained up to
>>>>>>prevent it from being stolen. Thanks for explaining. Ashley I found
>>>>>> King
>>>>>>James hard to understand, but may give New king james a try since you
>>>>>> say
>>>>>>it was -----Original Message----- From: Doris and Chris Sent: Tuesday,
>>>>>>November 15, 2011 7:34 PM To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>religion Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] King james / audio Bibles Copyright
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>the nkjv is with Thomas Nelson 1982. It was not really "written" as
>>>>>> much
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>it was tranlsated and revised, which is a process that usually takes
>>>>>>several years. The English used in the KJV or Shakespeare is not Middle
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>early modern English. When reading Middle English, you will not
>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>nearly as much as with Shakespearean or KJV English. Even for me as a
>>>>>>non-native speaker, the kjv and Shakespeare are quite readable and
>>>>>>enjoyable.The difficulty does not lie as much with the readability of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>language as in some changes in usage that make some passages unclear.
>>>>>>additionally, while at the top of scholarship at their time, more
>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>translations have access to earlier manuscripts, i.e. earlier to to the
>>>>>>time of the early church and the earliest versions of Christian
>>>>>> writings,
>>>>>>which by some scholars are considered more reliable as there was less
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>chance of transcription errors being made than with later versions.
>>>>>>Finally, modern translationscan take into accounts the most recent
>>>>>>findings
>>>>>>
>>>>>>of archeology and Biblical scholarship. For example, while the original
>>>>>>RSV
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(Revised Standard Version 1947/52) is still considered one of the best
>>>>>>scholarly and most widely accepted translations, it did not - could not
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>take into accounts recent discoveries as the Dead Sea scrolls as those
>>>>>> had
>>>>>>just been discovered in the late 1940's. hth and God Bless, Doris At
>>>>>> 07:08
>>>>>>PM 11/15/2011 -0500, you wrote: >Do you know when the New king James
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>written? The king James was written >in 1600s I think and uses middle
>>>>>>English, kind of like reading Shakespeare. >Ashley -----Original
>>>>>>Message----- >From: Paul Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:58 PM To:
>>>>>>Faith-talk,for the >discussion of faith and religion Subject: Re:
>>>>>>[Faith-talk] audio Bibles >Ashley and all, a portable Bible that many
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>recommended is something >called the BibleCourier available from the
>>>>>>Lutheran Braille Evangelism >Association in White Bear Lake, Minnesota.
>>>>>>You can call them for prices >and versions at 651-426-0469 or go to
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>website at http://www.lbea.org. >As to the New King James Version, it
>>>>>>still
>>>>>>
>>>>>>retains some of the language of >the old KJV but with some modern
>>>>>>renderings which make the meaning of some >words clearer. For instance
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>word "prevent" actually means precede, and >there are other similar
>>>>>>modifications. But all pronouns referring to God, >The Father, Son and
>>>>>>Holy Spirit are capitalized as in the KJV for two main >reasons, one to
>>>>>>show respect to our Almighty God and also to clarify their >meaning
>>>>>> which
>>>>>>could be made more confusing without the capital letters. In >Braille
>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>available from Braille Bibles International
>>>>>> >(http://www.braillebibles.org.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is also available from Bible Gateway >and, I believe, even a
>>>>>>BibleCourier version of the nKJV is available. Hope >that helps.
>>>>>> Paul ----- >Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>>>><bookwormahb at earthlink.net> >To: "for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>Faith-talk" ><faith-talk at nfbnet.org> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011
>>>>>> 5:20
>>>>>>PM Subject: >[Faith-talk] audio Bibles > Hi all, > > Where can I get
>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>bibles? I am >thinking either CD or Mp3 format. > I also thought there
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>something that >contained the bible in one device > called a Pocket
>>>>>> Bible
>>>>>>or something like >that. > I have the Niv in braille. I̢۪d like the
>>>>>> Good
>>>>>>News Bible. Also, >anyonyone read > the New King James? I know the King
>>>>>>James is in older >English, but do not > know if the New King James is
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>more modern >version or is easier to > understand. > I might want that
>>>>>>version too. Not >sure. > > > Everyone else can have a bible in their
>>>>>>purse
>>>>>>
>>>>>>and its >portable. Braille > is not that portable though. But audio
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>be. > > >Ashley > > _______________________________________________ >
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