[Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books

Fri Nov 18 12:33:55 UTC 2011

Oh come on.  Sure, plenty of contemporary christian music lacks the richness of meaning of the old hymns, but there are plenty contemporary worship songs that tell the story of the gospel and the greatness of God.  No one genre has a monopoly on being the theologically correct worship style.  Each song/artist should be judged based on its content. Weren't our beloved hymns considered "contemporary" at the time they were written?  The church has a wonderful and rich history of worship practices, but it also has a history of people worshipping God creatively.  Why not encourage people to worship God in the way most meaningful to them?  Didn't Martin Luther feel comfortable turning bar songs into great hymns of the church?  Why not allow Christian artists to reclaim all musical genres for God's glory?  

I think music style is absolutely a preference.  God tells us to worship in the Bible, but he doesn't tell us exactly how.  Unless of course your church worships with the harp, lyre, flute, and cymbals.  

I believe this is a preference thing.  Its ok to not enjoy certain genres of Christian music, but bemoaning contemporary christian music as a demonic force that is destroying the church is foolish.  Its good to critically analyze the music you use for worship, but condemning a genre because they use electric guitars or loud drums does not seem biblical to me.

Just my thoughts.

-Greg
On Nov 18, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Paul wrote:

> I don't mean to say anything about CCM, but if you'd like to read a little tract about a contrary or perhaps conservative or old-fashioned view of this subject, go to the Foundations Bible College and Theological Seminary's radio station at http://www.fbcradio.org.  There you can find the relevant tract written by the college's founder, the late Dr. R. Talmage Spence.  You may even like to listen to the station for their traditional music and preaching programs.  Geographically, they are in Dunn, North Carolina.  Paul
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:38 PM
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> Rick Warren, and Joel Ostine pride themselves on the fact that they
> don't preach against sin, or mention the cross, or the blood.
> They also want the hymnals thrown out, and they want the so-called
> worship to be comparable to a rock concert.
> That's why CCM is so popular.
> This stuff is destroying the church!
> Ostine said, "The cross, and the blood is too offensive."
> I have three words for those wolves!
> Get over it!
> Blessings, Joshua
> 
> On 11/17/11, Alan Wheeler <awheeler65 at windstream.net> wrote:
>> Oh wow! That's unbelieveable. No cross? That's like saying an airplane with
>> no engine can fly.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>> 
>> He, and Joel Ostine both went on Larry King Live, and said that Jesus was
>> one of many ways to Heaven.
>> That's pathetic!
>> Warren also wants us to replace the words, "saved," and "lost," with
>> "churched," and "unchurched."
>> To him, church membership alone is what saves us!
>> That's also pathetic, because church membership doesn't save anyone, it's
>> the blood of Jesus, which BTW, Warren doesn't want us to mention either.
>> No cross, no blood, no Gospel!
>> The Bible says, "Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of
>> sin," none!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> 
>> On 11/17/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> i'd have to say i agree with you, i think he has the idea like many
>>> folks today that the more enclusive we are the more folks we will bring to
>> Christ.
>>> i did not like his paraphrasing and i was very uncomfortable with some
>>> of his teachings. i am one though who does not like going with
>>> whatever fad is going on in the church so i kind f waited til the hype
>>> about the books was over.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would not recommend them, if you are a Christian who wants to stick
>>> with the Bible. He has some very ecumenical ideas, and the Bible says
>>> that Christians should be separate from the world. He uses many
>>> passages from a paraphrase of the Bible, rather than a translation.
>>> And, why should we be purpose-driven? We should be in God's will, and
>>> that does not drive!
>>> 
>>> We studied The Purpose-Driven Life in the church I attended in
>>> Wisconsin before moving here to Nebraska. I purchased it on CD, and
>>> wished I hadn't; but I needed it for Sunday School. I left it there!
>>> So, yes, read them before you buy them.
>>> Of course, if you read them from BARD, you can keep them if you want.
>>> I was uncomfortable with a lot of his teachings and approaches. That
>>> wass over 7 years ago now, so I don't remember what particularly. I'm
>>> conservative and "old-fashioned", and I didn't like his modern ways.
>>> 
>>> Just my two cents.
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> At 08:18 PM 11/16/2011, you wrote:
>>>> they are both available on the bard website, you should go read them
>>>> before
>>>> 
>>>> buying them, at least that is my opinion, do not take someone else's
>>>> opinion unless you know that person well, jeanette ----- Original
>>>> Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> To:
>>>> "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
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>>>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: [Faith-talk] Rick
>>>> Warren Books > Hi all, > > What are Rick Warrenâ?Ts books about: The
>>>> Purpose-driven Life and > Purpose-Driven Church? > Would you recommend
>>>> them?  I am considering buying them if they are in > accessible form.
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