[Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books

Fri Nov 18 16:22:19 UTC 2011

Josh:
Christian Life College is in Mount Prospect, IL, and I have no
knowledge of the one in Stockton, California. It's affiliated with the
Fellowship of Christian Assemblies which itself is a more Pentecostal
wing of the Baptist church if that makes any `sense.

On 11/18/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Ryan:
> Christian Life College?
> Is this affiliated with the one in Stockton, CA?
> Paul:
> I don't approve of Dr Walter Martin's series, because he calls my
> group, (the UPCI,) a cult.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 11/18/11, Ryan Kwaak <kwaakproductions at gmail.com> wrote:
>> To the person who posted the link to Steve Camp's 107 Theses, the main
>> page works, but the links to the individual parts and the zip file are
>> dead. Do you have a copy you can send to us?
>>
>> On 11/18/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> amen and amen Greg, leglaism is not biblical
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Greg Aikens" <gpaikens at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:33 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh come on.  Sure, plenty of contemporary christian music lacks the
>>> richness
>>> of meaning of the old hymns, but there are plenty contemporary worship
>>> songs
>>> that tell the story of the gospel and the greatness of God.  No one genre
>>> has a monopoly on being the theologically correct worship style.  Each
>>> song/artist should be judged based on its content. Weren't our beloved
>>> hymns
>>> considered "contemporary" at the time they were written?  The church has
>>> a
>>> wonderful and rich history of worship practices, but it also has a
>>> history
>>> of people worshipping God creatively.  Why not encourage people to
>>> worship
>>> God in the way most meaningful to them?  Didn't Martin Luther feel
>>> comfortable turning bar songs into great hymns of the church?  Why not
>>> allow
>>> Christian artists to reclaim all musical genres for God's glory?
>>>
>>> I think music style is absolutely a preference.  God tells us to worship
>>> in
>>> the Bible, but he doesn't tell us exactly how.  Unless of course your
>>> church
>>> worships with the harp, lyre, flute, and cymbals.
>>>
>>> I believe this is a preference thing.  Its ok to not enjoy certain genres
>>> of
>>> Christian music, but bemoaning contemporary christian music as a demonic
>>> force that is destroying the church is foolish.  Its good to critically
>>> analyze the music you use for worship, but condemning a genre because
>>> they
>>> use electric guitars or loud drums does not seem biblical to me.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>
>>> -Greg
>>> On Nov 18, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't mean to say anything about CCM, but if you'd like to read a
>>>> little
>>>>
>>>> tract about a contrary or perhaps conservative or old-fashioned view of
>>>> this subject, go to the Foundations Bible College and Theological
>>>> Seminary's radio station at http://www.fbcradio.org.  There you can find
>>>> the relevant tract written by the college's founder, the late Dr. R.
>>>> Talmage Spence.  You may even like to listen to the station for their
>>>> traditional music and preaching programs.  Geographically, they are in
>>>> Dunn, North Carolina.  Paul
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester"
>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rick Warren, and Joel Ostine pride themselves on the fact that they
>>>> don't preach against sin, or mention the cross, or the blood.
>>>> They also want the hymnals thrown out, and they want the so-called
>>>> worship to be comparable to a rock concert.
>>>> That's why CCM is so popular.
>>>> This stuff is destroying the church!
>>>> Ostine said, "The cross, and the blood is too offensive."
>>>> I have three words for those wolves!
>>>> Get over it!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 11/17/11, Alan Wheeler <awheeler65 at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>> Oh wow! That's unbelieveable. No cross? That's like saying an airplane
>>>>> with
>>>>> no engine can fly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>>>
>>>>> He, and Joel Ostine both went on Larry King Live, and said that Jesus
>>>>> was
>>>>> one of many ways to Heaven.
>>>>> That's pathetic!
>>>>> Warren also wants us to replace the words, "saved," and "lost," with
>>>>> "churched," and "unchurched."
>>>>> To him, church membership alone is what saves us!
>>>>> That's also pathetic, because church membership doesn't save anyone,
>>>>> it's
>>>>> the blood of Jesus, which BTW, Warren doesn't want us to mention
>>>>> either.
>>>>> No cross, no blood, no Gospel!
>>>>> The Bible says, "Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission
>>>>> of
>>>>> sin," none!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/17/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> i'd have to say i agree with you, i think he has the idea like many
>>>>>> folks today that the more enclusive we are the more folks we will
>>>>>> bring
>>>>>> to
>>>>> Christ.
>>>>>> i did not like his paraphrasing and i was very uncomfortable with some
>>>>>> of his teachings. i am one though who does not like going with
>>>>>> whatever fad is going on in the church so i kind f waited til the hype
>>>>>> about the books was over.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:47 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would not recommend them, if you are a Christian who wants to stick
>>>>>> with the Bible. He has some very ecumenical ideas, and the Bible says
>>>>>> that Christians should be separate from the world. He uses many
>>>>>> passages from a paraphrase of the Bible, rather than a translation.
>>>>>> And, why should we be purpose-driven? We should be in God's will, and
>>>>>> that does not drive!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We studied The Purpose-Driven Life in the church I attended in
>>>>>> Wisconsin before moving here to Nebraska. I purchased it on CD, and
>>>>>> wished I hadn't; but I needed it for Sunday School. I left it there!
>>>>>> So, yes, read them before you buy them.
>>>>>> Of course, if you read them from BARD, you can keep them if you want.
>>>>>> I was uncomfortable with a lot of his teachings and approaches. That
>>>>>> wass over 7 years ago now, so I don't remember what particularly. I'm
>>>>>> conservative and "old-fashioned", and I didn't like his modern ways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my two cents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 08:18 PM 11/16/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>> they are both available on the bard website, you should go read them
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> buying them, at least that is my opinion, do not take someone else's
>>>>>>> opinion unless you know that person well, jeanette ----- Original
>>>>>>> Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> To:
>>>>>>> "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: [Faith-talk] Rick
>>>>>>> Warren Books > Hi all, > > What are Rick Warrenâ?Ts books about: The
>>>>>>> Purpose-driven Life and > Purpose-Driven Church? > Would you
>>>>>>> recommend
>>>>>>> them?  I am considering buying them if they are in > accessible form.
>>>>>>>> > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________
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